How twisted do you have to be......to follow someone more than twice your age into a cemetery... and beat them to death?[*]
9/21/2009 02:45:00 pm
class of 2009,
crime and punishment
These savages should be executed.
*well, phil... maybe a trial first?*
hey cut the guy some slack here . . it is David Miller's fault he turned into a scumbag punk . . not enough basketball courts were build for him during his formative years.
Hey, he's a decent guy. He killed another human, but he didn't use a handgun. So how bad can he be? In Toronto, only handgun murders are really murders. Murders committed by other means, are, well, just acting out.
Neo: not sure if you should now take down that picture you have of the (now identified as only 14 years old) girl....?Not sure of the legal ramifications...
*"jag says... not sure if you should now take down that picture you have"yup... i suppose so. wouldn't wanna violate her precious rights.*
Vicious little shits aren't they? But, I suppose with the right counseling, and some hugs from a social worker the 14 year old girl will be just fine...ahh now isn't that better? Her rights will be forefront at the trial, and the old dead man?...well he's dead, so he doesn't get any rights.The punk that helped her, he'll get the most time, for sure.They probably got a basketball "court" where he is going anyway.
What, no screams of racism from the usual leftist suspects?Oh..yeah..I forgot.It was two blacks beating to death an elderly white drunk over a 'pervceived' robbery.Nothing to see here, move along..
You guys are such a bunch of sad immature losers for blaming david miller or the gun registry or anything of the sort, perhaps you should move to the USA where you can chant anti-socialist slogans while stroking your long-guns. You're scared and that sums up the political right.... eh, ya scared little puss-pusses?
anonymous little troll splutters... ya scared little puss-pusses?"see, kursk... you spoke too soon... the always intellectual "you're a big poopyhead" gambit.they always show up eventually.*
Hmmm I think I would rather just pay for my own CPP vs. have new immigrants.
*sorry, pal... immigration is not the issue... this is about crime & criminals.*
these people lost their culture once their parents immigrated to Canada and adopted the culture of gang banging from American media. This is not an immigration problem but a social problem that affects mostly Canadians.
*"anon says... these people lost their culture once their parents immigrated to Canada"no... that's not it either. you don't lose a culture, you know... like losing your car keys.see... you can choose to a violent, conscienceless thug... or, like most canadians... be a law-abiding, productive member of society.these two made a choice.now they have to pay the piper.*
What this all comes down to is that this young man clearly has anger issues. Whatever his relationship with the young girl is, she's obviously someone who he was willing to take a serious rap for... this will be a tough call to make; the intent to harm was certainly premeditated, but not necessarily to kill. He may have just intended to send a message with a punch or two, for example, and because of an underlying anger management problem, it got out of control. Brain chemicals have a powerful effect on our actions, and surely we've all been witness to the effects of a person surging with adrenalin and emotion. This certainly doesn't excuse his actions, and he needs to be punished... but he also needs professional mental help - otherwise, he will most certainly re-offend. Above all else, one should never take the law into their own hands in this type of fashion. It's one thing if this type of thing happens in self-defense, but this was completely out of line... and on a 61 year old man, no less.Either way, the system must be applied carefully to both parties... law enforcement should learn all the facts before making a definitive judgement about this man, and at the same time, he must step forward and take accountability for what he's done, answer for his crimes and be prepared to pay the consequences. The most important thing here, again, is to get the help he needs in managing his underlying rage issues, before anyone else gets hurt.Mr. Smith's senseless death is certainly a tragedy, one this city has been witnessing far too often of late... let us hope and pray that the time for justice has come, and that we can see the day where we can walk our streets without fear.
*"anon says... The most important thing here, again, is to get the help he needs in managing his underlying rage issues"no... you're mistaken.the most important thing thing here is to remove a dangerous predator from society before he hurts anyone else.*
you guys think you know everything dont you. You can only truly know unless you're in that situation. Yes, you all are right, no matter what this old man did, he shouldn't have deserved a death punishment. But saying racist comments are only bringing down your intelligence. The situation shouldnt have led to how it did, but these people did not intend on killing this man. They acted on the situation instead of thinking about the situation, so cut them some god damn slack. Clearly they are not savages and it's going to be hard for them to live their lives knowing they have this on their back. Imagine you were in their shoes, or even imagine you were someone close to them.
*"an anonymous witness says... these people did not intend on killing this man... Imagine you were in their shoes"you were there then, nonny? you saw what happened?i guess i'll just have to forward your ip to the homicide squad.p.s. -- oh yeah, i tried... but no amount of imagining could get me to the point where i could beat a 71 year-old man in failing health to death.i guess you have a better imagination than i do.*
"or, like most canadians... be a law-abiding, productive member of society"correction ... most immigrants are law-abiding productive members of society.What I was saying is that this issue is not an immigration issue but a social issue that all Canadians need to deal with. This boy grew up most of his life in Canada.
*"nonny unnecessarily chides... correction ... most immigrants are law-abiding productive members of society."read slower pal... i already said @10:31..."immigration is not the issue... this is about crime & criminals."*
Some sites are saying the little girl allegedly had her metro pass stolen by the old man which resulted in her calling up the 26 year old "friend". This explains why she followed the old man into the cemetery .. to get back her metro pass through the help of her "friend". The 26 year old male while trying to get back the stolen property must have hit the guy pretty hard. Little did he know the old man was already teetering on death and the blunt trauma he sustained from that confrontation would end up with him losing his life 6 days later..If true then it would seem like all are victims in this mess.
One of the earlier posters said"you guys think you know everything dont you. You can only truly know unless you're in that situation. ..... The situation shouldnt have led to how it did, but these people did not intend on killing this man....."In Canadian law for the investigators to file a charge of 1st degree murder as opposed to 2nd degree or manslaghter they had to have evidence demonstrating intent (intent is the primary differnce between 1st and 2nd degree). You will often see an intital charge of 2nd degree murder moved up to 1st degree during the process as officers continue the investigation after the intial arrest and discover the grounds to prove the intent portion. If someone is charged with 1st degree right away they ahve some sort of evidence showing it was a planned event.
I happen to know this guy, and believe it or not, he actually was a stand up guy. He was trying to protect his little 14 yr old sister from the victim who was trying to assault her and take her metro pass at warden station. He had been drunk at the time, which severely clouded his judgment. Not to justify his actions, but he really isn't twisted. Just an unfortunate serious of events.
*"anon says... he actually was a stand up guy"who was also busted for running a "drive clean" scam... before he tracked a homeless 71 year-old man into a graveyard and beat him to death.no exactly 'citizen of the year' material.two words for next time... call... 911.*
Ive known Merhawi since I was 8 years old. Even in high school he was quite and always had a smile on his face. I feel he thinks he was doing a good thing helping that young girl. He obviously got carried away when a drunk man would not back down. What he did was wrong in every way, I hope he gets help.
*"anon says... He obviously got carried away when a drunk man would not back down."you were there? you should tell the police what you saw.p.s. - eating a half dozen boston creme donuts is getting carried away... beating a man to death is murder.*
"p.s. - eating a half dozen boston creme donuts is getting carried away... beating a man to death is murder."Wrong.. He was not beaten to death. That would entail he was found dead on the spot. He died 6 days later due to his injuries and due to the fact that he was already on the brink of death due to his health issues. Anyways, this is all speculative reporting. I know for a FACT the police have nothing that can be described as "evidence" against these two. They will not be convicted and I am 100% sure of that. The level of incompetence that I have seen in the police department is sickening!
*"anon says... He was not beaten to death."are you serious?so according to this twisted logic... if you shoot someone and it takes them a couple of days to die... it's not murder?is that what they teach at the faculty of law at "rainman u"?go have another hit on the bong, dude.p.s. -- funny, you say you know stuff that proves ol' merhawi is not guilty... but you're letting him rot in jail.some friend you are.*
"so according to this twisted logic... if you shoot someone and it takes them a couple of days to die... it's not murder?"Hey knumb skull!Your comparing apples and oranges here. He did not shoot anyone, there was no gun. If there was a weapon used then it is safe to assume the intent to kill was there (unless the other party also had a gun then it may have been self defence). So please think a little harder before you type!And I dont have anything new that the police dont already have. If the police had something, they would have mentioned it. They are probably buying time to collect evidence they dont even know exists.If I can help it will be to help this poor and GOOD family with their legal fees.There was mention of another party to this whole mess by the globe and mail. This individual who is a crack addict and who just recently "befriended" the elderly man who died is said to have "lured him into the cemetery". This guy that the newspapers say is nick named "Taliban". Why are they not looking for this guy? If the elderly man who died is to receive justice, wouldnt the police want to question this individual? What does "Lure him into the cemetery" mean anyway? Why would he want to "lure" him? But no, the media is hung up on this youth who has been fined $20,000 in the past for running a drive clean service the wrong way ... I guess they figure public is dumb enough to conclude "oh, if he can run a drive clean scam, he can definatly beat someone up with the intent to kill". But they happen to ignore the role of two hopeless, homeless drug addicts that roam the streets stealing from children ... probably to raise cash for their their next "fix".
*"anon cries... Hey knumb skull!(sic)"perhaps you meant to say numbskull, nonny? ah, well... at least you didn't call me a big poopyhead.another little homegrown fact... here in canada, you assault someone... they die... we call that murder.and this "mention" of a mysterious, nefarious crackhead "taliban"... that's news to me. you've got the url for that, right? or is it just some x-files kinda thing you feel in your bones?sorry, pal... your buddy merhawi didn't seem to have much respect for the law of the land, even before he beat this guy to death.you hope he gets help... i hope he gets 25 to life.*
thanks for correcting me knumb skull. Wrong spelling or not, I think you know what I meant when I said it. It means your thick headed. Thanks for showing us your a jerk as well.If you actually read what I wrote up on top a bit more carefully, you would see I said it was from the globe and mail. But since you have a hard time doing any thinking on your own, I've taken the liberty of finding it for you:http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/toronto/man-charged-in-fatal-beating-turns-himself-in/article1298447/ NC says: "another little homegrown fact... here in canada, you assault someone... they die... we call that murder"bwahahaa! Who gave you a law degree? Dont quit your blogging day job buddy! If things were that simple, this Country would have fell apart by now.cheers!
*"nonny gushes... thanks for correcting me knumb skull(sic)"no problemo.unfortunately, it looks as though you're still howling at the moon.so that's what you're gonna go with now, huh... the mysterious crackhead theory they're circulating at the homeless shelter?say, nonny... let's take a moment and run through your previous theories here in the comments...1) "anger issues... the intent to harm was certainly premeditated, but not necessarily to kill"2) confusion... "these people did not intend on killing this man. They acted on the situation instead of thinking about the situation"3) justification... "the little girl allegedly had her metro pass stolen by the old man which resulted in her calling up the 26 year old "friend". This explains why she followed the old man into the cemetery .. to get back her metro pass through the help of her 'friend'"and, of course...4) grassy knoll defense... "a crack addict and who just recently 'befriended' the elderly man who died is said to have 'lured him into the cemetery'"you do realise how desperate all this sounds, right?so what's the real story... this guy is your brother? i'd understand the dynamic if you're losing it because merhawi's a family member.otherwise... this is just a bucketload of creme de crazy.*
what are you retarded?You must be new to the internet. Only the last two or three posts were me. I never made the other "theories". You know others can be "Anonymous" too.
*"nonny protests... Only the last two or three posts were me"yeah sure, you dumb bunny... because you say so.*
Neo conservative I think you overused your pong, dang how high is high. Relax Bro, its true murder is murder and justice must be served but dont get overworked.The guy is prety decent I hear.He was simply attempting to help the girl and it was wrong to beat an old man. Dumb decission on his part. There were different ways to handle it. He messed up and he must be pay the price.God have mercy on the dead man's soul and everyone involved.
*"anon says... The guy is prety decent I hear."pretty decent, huh?until you piss him off, i guess... and, of course, if he figures he can take you.here's the thing. the guy he killed was in his 70's... that's not a dumb decision... that's a slaughter.and merhawi has to pay the piper.*
Its seems as though you've already made up your mind neo-conservative and that you've made your decision that the accused is guilty. How do you know for sure that he did it. Were you there? Do I need to send your IP to Detectives so that you can testify? Innocent until proven guilty, I think you know that. The onus is on the police, with your help of course, to prove his guilt.
*anon, yet again, lectures... The onus is on the police"well, actually, nonny... the onus is on the crown... and they will be proceeding to trial in their own sweet time.the police obviously found enough evidence... including video of merhawi's female accomplice... to justify the crown attorney laying charges.now, unlike many people in toronto... i don't happen to subscribe to the theory that the police and prosecutors are vile, racist organisations.this guy will get his day in court. and my guess is... he'll do the time.*
First of all, NONE OF YOU know him, 'the 14yr old girl" or what happened that day! Second, FYI...he's Canadian....not an immigrant. He is not a thug or a gang member. He is a very educated, ambitious and loving individual who does not deserve this criticism. It's funny that one who has NO knowledge of the situation and only listens to what the police and media say can come here and type type away like their opinion even matters in this situation. The outcome of what happened has ruined many lives. WE don't know any of you and never will, so at the end your words are just words. Find something better to do with your time than gossip. I'm sure if you put the same energy you use to comment stupidity like this towards bettering your future and the future of the children, the world would be a much better place...lol. Like c'mon people, GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT FIRST!! COME CORRECT OR DON'T COME AT ALL!!
*"anonymous screams... GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT FIRST!! COME CORRECT OR DON'T COME AT ALL!!"nonny... here are some facts... the altercation with the 14 year-old girl was caught on videotape. the cops grabbed her up and she obviously gave up ol' merhawi.i don't know how educated he is, but this guy is certainly ambitious... he was previously busted for running a drive-clean scam... a fraud against the government.here's what i don't understand... if merhawi is such a good friend, how can you let him rot in jail for a crime you say he didn't commit.if you were there... please tell us and the police what you saw.some pal you are.*
UMMMMMMMMM NO!! If it was up to me...HE WOULD BE OUT! Butttttttt, you're guilty until proven innocent in this country...and that he will. It's just sad that there is a process and he'll have to sit there until he is proven innocent...wasting time when he can be living a successful and prosperous life with his family. Btw, who are you anyway NEO??? 'Cause I'm pretty sure you weren't there and sure as hell you don't know the man. Why are you mixing up in something that clearly has NOTHING to do with you...BOUNCE!!
*"anonybot says... If it was up to me...HE WOULD BE OUT"based on what, nonny... because you feel that he's such "a good guy"?you're going on as if you were there. if you were, i'm sure we'd all love to hear about it. perhaps you think the cops flipped a coin and grabbed some guy off the street at random? man... how can you stand to live in such a cruel unreasonable society?to be charged and held, the cops had to run their evidence past a crown attorney.anyway, again... perhaps you'd care to share all your evidence that he didn't kill this guy.*
"Neo-Conservative says: nonny... here are some facts... the altercation with the 14 year-old girl was caught on videotape. the cops grabbed her up and she obviously gave up ol' merhawi."Since when did the police say that the alercation was caught on videotape. You're talking out of your ass. The only videotape they had of her was her going into a gas station. I didn't know that was against the law. And how do you know that shwe gave Merhawi up to the police. Where are you getting this information, cause I'd really love to know.
*yeah, nonny... you're right... the systemically racist cops just picked up a couple of random black people... and charged them with murder.no evidence required.*
Never once have i claimed that the police were racist; you once again are talking out of your ass. Your egotisical comments are stupid and baseless. If you know anything about what happened that night then send it over to the police and help them in the investigation. If you don't then sit down, drink your beer and stfu.
*"nonny says... Never once have i claimed that the police were racist"you're saying that they falsely arrested these two poor folks... but now you're saying race is irrelevant?"I know for a FACT the police have nothing that can be described as "evidence" against these two. They will not be convicted and I am 100% sure of that."you're wired right in here, huh?please... explain.*
anonymous is not my name... anyone can post as anonymous.
*"nonny says... anonymous is not my name"but nonny... it's the name you have chosen for yourself... so that you can hide in the shadows... and surreptitiously throw rocks at all the other commenters.to be frank... the wacky stuff you've been spouting here... it was probably a wise choice.*
i weep for a country that is populated with individuals that have the same state of mind that you have. Oh wait, we call it America.
*"nonny moans... i weep for a country..."that's funny nonny... you don't weep for the family & friends of the murdered 71 year-old victim?oh. that's right... the murderer was "a decent guy"... let's just weep for him.*
Clearly youve all found him guilty without knowing any details of the crime. Its very disturbing that you all have made assumptions about his culture. Oh by the way racism does still exist and there are alot of Black men out there who may act out as a result of it. However, I am not making excuses for anyone.You should take his photo down.It shows a lack of class.Its not your job to determine his guilt or innocence.Let the justice system do their.You all sounds like very hateful people!
Btw the altercation was NOT caught on tape for you moron that seem to think you know everything
*"anon howls... there are a lot of Black men out there who may act out as a result of it"of course... all that acting out has nothing to do with being immersed in a welfare ghetto culture that glorifies violence, disrespect for women and growing up without fathers... it's just all about racism, right?the glorious culture of perpetual victimhood.*
Wow you are so smart...So yes lets just blame Children who grow up in poverty and dont have fathers ...yup its their fault they were not given the same chances your children would have ..This debate is endeless and im not wasting anymore of my time with this nonsense you just confirmed what i know and that is Racism is alive and well!
*"anon howls... you just confirmed what i know"oh puh-leese... like you needed somebody to confirm your perpetual victimhood?sack up, nonny... and start to take some responsibility for your life.*
Neo Conservative ur talking out of your ass..... What if Merhawi was ur brother or close friend would you be running your mouth like this i think not.... if you dont know what happened dont talk shit i am a close friend of Merhawi's and all this shit your saying right now is a joke to us we wouldnt expect nothen less from a idiot with no knowledge Merhawi is a better man than you can think of ever being he was defending himself against 2 men that attacked him you keep listening to the media and see how far you will get in life... and all that racist shit people have posted is a joke you need to get a life and stop trash talking innocent people go find a hobbie in your redneck town.......
*"nonny howls... he was defending himself"well, nonny... i guess when you testified to this at the trial... nobody believed what you had to say?what's that... you didn't testify?some friend you are.*
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