15 December 2009

Where Al Gore goes to get...

,,,his magical numbers...

So as we can see, of all the stations available in the antarctic, GHCN has chosen to use a single station on the Antarctic Peninsula to represent an entire continent of the earth for the past 17 years.

But it’s not just any station, it’s a special one. Rothera Point has the single highest trend of any of the adjusted station data.

I’m sick to death of advocate scientists pretending there are only minimal problems in the temperature record. Currently the ‘homogenized’ value added version of GHCN has a trend that is EIGHT times higher than actual for the ENTIRE ANTARCTIC CONTINENT.

So I wonder if we can now, spend some of the ‘BILLIONS OF DOLLARS’ on cleaning up the temperature record!!! It’s no coincidence that AGW scientists aren’t demanding this be done in my opinion either.

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17 comments:

langmann said...

If we conducted medical research in the same way these climate guys are going about it, people would be dropping dead as soon as they filled their prescriptions.

After seeing all the obvious effects of systematic bias and low power studies it is clear to me that these guys need to go back to basics, have a few real statisticians help them design their studies, examine the quality of the raw data, and then get back to us.

It really does remind me of the multitude of studies showing a correlation between vagal nerve stimulation and stomach ulcers, as well as resolution post gastrectomy (removal of part of the stomach). It wasn't until recently when a relatively obscure scientist came up with the link between ulcers and H. pylori - a treatable bacteria.

There were a lot of research programs, a lot of surgical specialists and a lot of money that was sunk by a guy who went back to basics and found the cure - a cure that didn't involve the drastic effects of cutting out a large chunk of a patient's stomach or severing his vagus nerve.

This guy caught a lot of flak in the meantime and some researchers, briefly, used to mock those in the H. pylori camp. The concept that ulcers were NOT caused by a bacteria was considered proven long ago...

So when people say "the discussion is over" I always think of this example of how science was so wrong for so long. And the drastic effects of it being wrong.

Neo Conservative said...

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"langmann says... systematic bias and low power studies"

which the msm even now, in the main, continues to ignore. i guess they've got such an investment in their previous dog-like devotion to the gawds of global warming... it's nearly unthinkable to consider any other point of view.

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Rich said...

I wonder of Al gets material from the CRU?
This just posted at WUWT-
"Russian IEA claims CRU tampered with climate data – cherrypicked warmest stations"
Things are going to get quite warm I think and CO2 won't be the cause.
Link-
tinyurl.com/ybnrx2z

langmann said...

I partly agree with you, neo on what you said. I also think there is a large amount of publication bias going on (publication bias is where studies that show no change don't get published because they are uninteresting, or hypothesis are designed with the answer already selected). Hence only studies showing some sort of change get published making it appear that anthropogenic global warming is real.

But overall I just think a large problem is the media is just plain stupid - in the ignorant sense. My father and a friend of his, both old media guys once complained to me that no young people with degrees in anything other than journalism were being hired anymore. It used to be that journalists had either degrees in other things (like science, law, economics etc), or got where they got through hard nosed work.

Hence the problem is that these current journalists have no real investigative ability or foundation of knowlege. They trust whatever newsrelease is given out.

I have a background in research and medicine, and I have looked at the systematics of some of these studies and while I am limited in my understanding of the science, I can see the flaws used in their statistical analysis quite easily.

What a good journalist would do is get some statisticians to help them take a hard look at the raw data, the instruments used to obtain them - ie: the crappy temperature stations exposed by surfacestations.org, evidence of publication bias, the power of the studies themselves, as well what studies actually show a link between humans and global warming.

That's what a good journalist would do. I think they're just too stupid to even know where to start.

Neo Conservative said...

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"langmann says... overall I just think a large problem is the media is just plain stupid - in the ignorant sense."

two words... occam's razor.

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Anonymous said...

"two words... occam's razor."

I love Occam's razor.

But I think it's important to keep in mind another point; if I may paraphrase Mencken:
for every complex problem, there's a simple solution. And it's wrong.

Call it Mencken's... sandpaper?... five o'clock shadow...? (What dulls razors?)

Anyway... Razor and sandpaper can be used by anyone, anywhere on the political spectrum. Preferable when they are used together.

-Anon1152

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Was able to find the primary source, and the original quote:
http://books.google.com/books?id=vAJbAAAAMAAJ&q=inauthor:mencken+%22neat,+plausible,+and+wrong%22&dq=inauthor:mencken+%22neat,+plausible,+and+wrong%22&client=safari&cd=1

Neo Conservative said...

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it's not just the dishonesty, or even the not unexpected socialist idiocy... it's that the pinkos expect me to dip into my wallet and pay for it...

"I would never under normal circumstances condemn anyone for any of the behaviors listed above. That is: Until the bill for your stupidity shows up in my mailbox."

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Rob Budde said...

Oh get off it! Climate change science is clear and overwhelming. Across countries, politics, demographics. Study after study. You cannot, as rational human beings, cling to these desperate vestiges of denial.

Neo Conservative said...

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"rob budd shrieks... Climate change science is clear and overwhelming."

sorry buddy... garbage in... garbage out.

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Rob Budde said...

Ah, where to start. How about this leftbot think-tank:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/01/19/eco.globalwarmingsurvey/

Neo Conservative said...

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oh rob... check the date on your proof... updated 1:02 a.m. EST, Tue January 20, 2009... hmmm, 11 months ago.

let's redo this little survey now that cru and phil mann got caught fudging both their data and the computer programmes they used to massage their bogus numbers.

and robbie... it just keeps getting better

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Rob Budde said...

I can do this for a long time:

damn NASA fringe group

Neo Conservative said...

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yes rob... you've previously demonstrated your tenacity on numerous occasions.

trouble is... you invariably seem to confuse blinkered socialist doggedness with logic & reason.

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Rob Budde said...

A very logical piece from the Washington Post on why "climategate" doesn't matter.

ps. these aren't "socialist" forums; I can't stand these sources--but even they agree on what you "doggedly" deny without scientific proof or reason. Come on--you are a smart guy Neo. . .

Neo Conservative said...

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but robbie... you're not addressing the bogus cru data... or phil mann having to step down while it is being investigated.

you think poor phil is being framed?

seriously?

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rbudde said...

It's like saying that because one ballot box is invalid, a whole landslide election is null and void. Thousands of other studies say that these few don't matter. There's not even clear evidence that a transgression occurred and yet deniers cling to it like a lifeboat . . . Look into the repeated and nearly unanimous facts.

Neo Conservative said...

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so suddenly... phil man & cru and the infamous hockey stick graph... they don't mean anything.

yeah... i'm the one that's in denial.

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