A Muslim woman weighs in
An interesting take on the Aqsa Parvez story from an unlikely venue... the usually exquisitely politically correct CBC.
Meanwhile, the mullahs and Islamists are busy dismissing the idea that Aqsa's alleged murder had anything to do with religion. They are circulating rumours on-line that she had a black boyfriend, that she was sexually promiscuous, that she was a drug pusher.I had no idea that this sort of thing had been going on. As a Muslim herself, the author of this article is obviously closer to the goings on within the community.
The friends and classmates of Aqsa, who aren't concerned with political correctness, have said without hesitation that Aqsa was abused and threatened at home because of the religious fanaticism of her family.**********
They have said she was killed because she wanted to be herself.
FROM THE COMMENTS:
"In fact not one single Muslim I know agrees with what he did and we all pray that God bless this little girls soul and may God keep her in his mercy and bring her the justice she deserves after suffering through what was done to her."**********
LAST WORD: Michael Coren has his say
Only a bigot would argue that every Muslim was violent or opposed to Western freedom. But only a coward or a liar would argue that there was not a profound and deeply worrying link between conservative Islam and myriad acts of terror, intolerance and hysterical anger.**********
It is not I who say this but the countless Muslims who take to the streets at the drop of a cartoon to scream for blood and war; or the Muslims who preach jihad in North America and Europe, where they enjoy open societies founded on Christian enlightenment.
They may represent a minority, but the harm they do is incalculable. This dysfunctional venom does not come from Christian, Jew, Hindu or Buddhist and fatuous relativism will only blind the foolish.
It is time for free discussion in this free country, whether it offends or not.
And what... pray tell... is the deal with Turkey?
Anyone?
Technorati Tags: Aqsa Parvez, Muhammad Parvez, honour killing
33 comments:
Islam did NOT kill this girl, no more than Christianity killed Megan Meier!
Keep in mind this is a single instance of a crime. Compare it with the video that pops up now and again of a stalker abducting a young woman who is later found dead. Aqsa Parvez’s death is NOT a normal “islamic event.” I remember a kid in 1st grade whose Christian mother forced him to kneel in rock salt when he was bad until his knees bled. When he was 12 she beat him so badly he lost hearing in one ear. Parents are sometimes overprotective, sometimes STUPID, like the woman who created the phony MySpace page that led to the suicide of Megan Meier. But that’s another story…
http://dave-lucas.blogspot.com/2007/12/double-life-of-aqsa-parvez.html
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dave says... Islam did NOT kill this girl"
one of the more disturbing aspects of this crime was the initial reaction of some muslim spokespersons to the atrocity itself.
too many people in prominent canadian islamic organisations... went into automatic attack mode and seemed to be very publicly blaming aqsa parvez... rather than her murderer... for this event.
that's a large part of the controversy here, dave... and there's been a slew of reissued statements from these individuals, trying to spin that initial harsh reaction.
there's an undeniable cultural component overshadowing this murder... a culture that is very tightly interwoven with islamic religious beliefs.
we'll see how it all plays out.
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Interesting article from CBC, and very uncharacteristic as you point out.
I saw a somewhat disturbing report on CBC tonight. They interviewed one of Aqsa's friends and the friend's mother. They were both going on about how the parents were bending over backwards to fulfill all of Aqsa's wishes; anything she wanted.
The story they were giving was that Aqsa was basically spoiled and the parents just couldn't please her.
I was appalled.
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"joanne says... The story they were giving..."
there has thus far been a real undercurrent of blaming the victim from spokespersons for the canadian muslim community. it's appalling and, from a "p.r." point of view... incredibly damaging to the public face of islam in canada.
some of the more media savvy islamic organisations have realised their folly here... and are reeling in the more egregious offenders.
the one indisputable fact here is that this girl did not deserve to die.
anyone, in this situation, trying to apportion any amount of blame to aqsa parvez... is beneath consideration.
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neo...please scoop the dumpload at 8:23
Yeah, I second that motion, Neo. Disgusting.
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"anon says... neo...please scoop the dumpload at 8:23"
sorry, i don't censor comments.
my philosophy about this is that all the dumbass things that people say... are a pretty good reflection of who they are.
i regularly get threats and personal insults... from people who obviously reached their intellectual apogee somewhere back in primary school.
around here, you say it... you get to wear it.
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Call me naive, but when I was at that age I basically had two choices: conform to the rules of the house, or get out. Dying wasn't an option.
Neo
It never ceases to amaze me that so many common folk are willing to turn a blind eye to the obvious.
Well meaning and I assume intelligent Canadians like Dave Lucas point to oblique anecdotal stories of Christians abusing their children.
Why? I think it's because they so want to believe that this isn't a cultural issue. Well the facts are that it is.
I offer this anecdote:
In 2002 I was siding a large condo complex in NE Calgary for a Company owned by folk of south east asian extraction. As the complex got bigger we found that they began to replace the framing crews with their own people. Fair enough.
Cheaper labor but at a cost of quality because they lacked the experience but from a business perspective......a savy move.
One day we were having lunch on the tailgate of my truck with the framing crew next door. At the time the lotto 649 was racked at 35 mil or so. I suggested we pool some money and buy a big ticket and asked..."What's you're guys favorite numbers?" One of the fellas stared straight at me and said..."911".
He hit the ground as I screamed "You're in Canada you fucking asshole...."
Most of the other Islamic fellas we're obviously embarrassed (or afraid) and packed this prick off to their job. I was informed by the builder that they no longer need my services. That was fair enough also.
My point. Don't kid yourself Dave. There is an element within our immigrant Islamic community that would love to see you and I dead. The difference between you and me is that I will put up a fight.
Has this affected my view of Islamic immigrants? Yes. Has this affected my view of all Islamic immigrants? No.
Context pal.
Syncro
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there are all kinds of stupid people making assinine comments all over the blogosphere... fortunately there are usually other people right there to balance out the irrational noise.
an example from the muslim side...
"There wasn't much detail in the original article, but she was well on her way to doing more than just not wearing hijaab? Should he have killed her? No, but it's easy to see why he reacted the way he did, when you listen to her "friends'" comments. Using words like "normal". Are they telling us a girl can't be beautiful, and or normal, if she wears hijaab? It's PAINFULLY OBVIOUS, that she was falling under the influence of her kufaar friends, and her poor, poor father reacted in the only way he had been conditioned to react.
fortunately, there were more reasonable people there to call this freak out.
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Rest in peace Aqsa. May God bless your soul and get you the justice you deserve.
Also a tip of my hat to Dave Lucas for his wise judgment.
Terrible people do terrible things, regardless their faith, or color.
Actions are what define humans, not their religion, name or skin color!
"Terrible people do terrible things, regardless their faith, or color."
But Ahmed, her father killed her because she wouldn't wear the HIJAB. Can you seriously be arguing that there is no religious/cultural element to this crime? No offense, and I do not mean to tar all Muslims with the same brush, but it does noone any good to refuse to confront the fact that there are radical islamists in this country whose beliefs cannot be reconciled with our own values, honor killings being one particularly appalling example. If more muslims spoke out like Tarek Fatah has, I'd be a lot more reassured about the muslim community.
I am fully against this terrible action by the so-called father. Whether this person believes he is right or wrong, thats his own sick perspective. Taking it out on his little girl like that, its plain OUTRAGEOUS and unacceptable in ALL faiths, religions and beliefs. Whether the guy is Muslim or other, relating Islam or another religion for that matter is just irrelevant. Some Muslims say God said do this, some Christians, Jews, whatever a person believes in, say God said do that, in any case if a person does commit such a horrendous action then they are not in any way doing Gods work. Nor are they following Gods words, as all faiths promote human well being as the main message, despite the language or number of kneels in prayer. Some sick people mis-quote and mis-interpret straight forward instructions and mis-use them as excuses for twisted actions. Another might believe the same thing, and might unfortunately share the same thought and speek out in support of that. That doesn't mean that Islam instructed that or promoted it in any way or form. As Islam is all about choice and consequences so if a so-called father, who happens to be Muslim, commits such an act, that doesn't mean in any way that he is supported by the community or encouraged by religion. In fact not one single Muslim I know agrees with what he did and we all pray that God bless this little girls soul and may God keep her in his mercy and bring her the justice she deserves after suffering through what was done to her. Enough Said.
sorry, i don't censor comments.
Your blog, your choice. ;)
I'm just starting "Infidel" by Ayaan Hirsi Ali. What an eye-opener!
I appreciate what Ahmad has said, and obviously not every Muslim is the same in terms of the interpretation of his faith.
But this theme of a daughter bringing 'shame' on her menfolk if she goes against the faith is a disturbing one.
Joanne... Extremism does exist, and in all aspects of life, not just religion.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali was raised in extreme situations and when she acted up and did something extremely positive in her belief, her surrounding community acted in an extremely negative way. That is one example, perhaps a common one.
On the other hand, I have 5 girl cousins from both family sides, only 1 of them is veiled, and solely decided chose that by herself, at the age of 20, with no pressure what-so-ever from her UN-veiled mother, let alone father. That IS a common example back where I come from, however thats not what the public here knows!
Another example is my own mother, never veiled, never forced to do any single thing in her whole life, went to mixed schools, went to medical school, became a doctor, then decided to change careers after all that and became a humanitarian, working for NGOs all over the globe. Thats another example.
Believe me these are actually common examples, in fact less than 5 % of the Muslim women I know or deal with in my every day life are veiled, and if so, its purely by choice, just like when a lady decides to devote her life to the church, she is covered by choice, she wants to be in this place, and this place requires here to wear these clothes, and is considered to be devout, rather than oppressed!
Its just that the media is never interested in hearing about such people as much as hearing about "Muslim Child Killer" or *Sheikh* who-ever waiving his sword yelling death to all infidels.
Unfortunately all Muslims pay for all this BS by association, an example of that is what I go through every single day, being verbally attacked if not sometimes physically! Just because I look Arab and carry a Muslim name.
The same happens to my mother, who's a respectable lady in her senior years now, who dedicated her whole life to humanity, a MOFO Caucasian person runs into her cart in the supermarket, when SHE apologized, he yells "YOU'RE NOT WELCOME HERE" and forcefully pushes his way around her.
She doesn't see this from her own husband, who never harmed her, yet sees this EXTREMISM, and OPPRESSION, from her fellow "Canadian"
Not to mention the countless situations I personally gone through in terms of racial profiling every where I go, even when FILING A POLICE REPORT!
So EXTREMISM is BAD, not just Islamic Extremism, but ANY AND ALL EXTREMISM is bad.
Balance is the key and those who find balance whether in Islam, Christianity, Judaism, or even being atheist but still have balance in your beliefs, then every body's life will be a lot easier.
To clarify on my early post, when I said "MOFO Caucasian person" I meant a MOFO, who happens to be Caucasian. I mean no dis-respect to the Caucasian people and I apologize if it came out of me like that, I was typing in a hurry and by reviewing my post I noticed it might seem insulting to Caucasians so I apologize for that.
Dave sez:
"Islam did NOT kill this girl"
How the fuck would you know that Dave?
Lets face it...in some families within certain religions, women are less valued than the family dog. Women are the inticers, evil tempations of flesh, disobedient pieces of property. Women are whipped, stoned, murdered....for revealing a bit of wrist or ankle beneath their covering. I understand that religion is extremely important and the guidance of these religions is expected to be adhered to....however, in Canada we don't kill our women or daughters over head scarves...we have laws against murder. Surely this is understood by anyone coming to this country. I welcome all immigrants here but leave your barbaric ways behind you. You can sugar coat the murder of the teen any way you want but the fact remains...a girl was killed over a head dress. Women haven't really come that far over time have they!
And where is man's restraint when it comes to these inticing women flashing their sexy ankles or flowing hair. These men must have no control over themselves...so aren't they the bigger offenders of their religion by acting on their impulses!
Poor Aqsa....rest in peace.
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obviously, it is reckless and dishonest to label all muslims, in north america especially, as falling into the jihadi category that gets so much of the press.
as ahmed points out above... "Another example is my own mother, never veiled, never forced to do any single thing in her whole life, went to mixed schools, went to medical school, became a doctor..."
what intrigues me is what separates the jihadi mentality from the folks who immigrate and choose to integrate more fully into the north american way of life.
ahmed's family is obviously a polar opposite to aqsa's family.
it can't simply be education... as the doctor-bombers in the u.k. have so clearly demonstrated.
ahmed... can you give us your read on this?
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Another example is my own mother, never veiled, never forced to do any single thing in her whole life, went to mixed schools, went to medical school, became a doctor..."
That was 30 years ago.
Times have changed.
Well regarding the example I mentioned earlier, all this happened within the boundaries of Egypt, and I'm sorry to dis-agree with you here Neo, but IT IS BECAUSE OF EDUCATION!
Proper schooling does help in deed, at the very least it opens your mind and tends to build an argumentative mentality, based on fact-finding skills and scientific thinking along with many other benefits. All this helps in understanding different perspectives and being capable of questioning ideologies and rules and laws governing our societies in general.
This doesn't end with high-school, college or university. In fact religious institutions ALSO help when their methods are productive.
There are numerous institutions that count on the ignorance of people and feed on their inability to question or argue teachings and beliefs, hence resulting in endless armies of followers who instead of attempting to understand "God's words" so to speak, just BLINDLY following and relying on the instructions and decisions of the "Imam" or "Priest" primarily because they lack proper understanding and don't want to trouble themselves by doing some effort seeking more knowledge. They usually believe that "if the majority around me believes it, then its right, and so I should believe" and of course vice versa.
Fortunately, not all mosques are Al-Quaeda recruiting grounds, in fact the majority of mosques I attended for prayers actually "encourage" people to seek education in all feilds of life to better themselves, however I can't deny the fact that there are institutions that does the exact opposite, just as I mentioned earlier. Unfortunately they are reaching a bigger audience, as the majority of the population is not properly educated, some even illiterate, and that magnifies the problem.
The reason my family decided to move here, and that happened only 5 years ago, is primarily better education, and less corruption, and to be honest, for a frequent traveler like myself, it made my life a lot easier, whether its for work purposes, or even leisure.
Traveling using a name like mine, holding an Egyptian passport, automatically labeled me "RANDOM SECURITY CHECK" at each and every airport I stop by, being subject to countless strip searches and baggage checks.
However traveling as a Canadian, although still being the same exact person I am, drastically reduced such situations, though my looks didn't eliminate them!
It proves that from the average person's point of view, they believe that if Canada OK'd me as person, then I am no longer a threat to humanity as I was before!
Referring to your example of the "doctor-bombers" in the UK, its just a proof of this utterly wrong mis-conception.
If a terrorist, ANY terrorist is on a mission to cause harm, the last thing they will do is travel using a middle-eastern passport, with a grown beard, wearing a galabeya.
So in fact this ignorant practice, in society in general, harms the exact people you want more of, and makes things easier for the people you want less of, as the majority of intelligence and security forces are keeping a close eye on every "APPARENT" or "VISIBLE" Muslim, where the REAL terrorists live exactly opposite lifestyles, HIDING their identities, deterring the heat!
Your example refers to one, or maybe more "bomber-doctor", however the majority of people who commit terrorist acts, are un-educated and mis-informed, which makes them an easy candidate for recruitment by terrorist groups!
To conclude, EDUCATION IS THE KEY! If the western world put their money and efforts helping locals get a better education, they will DRASTICALLY cut their spending in terms of military and security to counter the effects of such a problem. If not eliminate the constantly growing threats of not dealing with the ROOTS of the problem! Which will help save more lives rather than dealing with the consequences of terrible actions AFTER they are committed!
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"ahmed says... To conclude, EDUCATION IS THE KEY!"
ahmed... i agree, on a macro scale... education is hugely important. the point, i suppose, i was trying to make... is that it's not, in the present day situation... any sort of magic bullet.
witness the u.k. doctor-bombers and osama's number 2 guy, ayman al-zawahiri... also a doctor. there seem to be plenty of people in the upper echelons of the terror groups... with good educational credentials.
there are extreme voices in our society as well. mohammed elmasry, the president of the canadian islamic congress, publicly proclaimed that "any jew over the age of 18 is a legitimate military target"... and he's a university prof, right?
and there is, of course, the latest islamic organisation spokesperson... who is apparently intent on destroying relations with the non-islamic community by trivialising the holocaust.
who the frig is this syed soharwardy... and why is no one from the islamic community standing up and saying, "this guy doesn't speak for me"?
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As you can see, I tend to go off point responding to your questions, usually because there is A LOT to be said and much more to be done, which cannot be summed up in a single paragraph on a blog.
There are BILLIONS of Muslims living on this earth. There are BILLIONS of Muslims living peacefully, among themselves in their own countries and all over the world. Just like myself, and practically any person from Muslim community around me, as we -and I can speak for MANY Muslims for that matter- tend to distant ourselves from people who mis-represent our faith and beliefs.
Its not newsworthy for a reporter to talk to myself, my family, or other fellow Muslims who share this kind of common sense, who practice Islam with this kind of understanding and accommodation.
Instead, they focus on the hundreds, or even thousands, who spill their poison against humanity, promoting hate, anger and violence. Yet again believe you me, for each and every HATEFUL Muslim, there are MILLIONS of peaceful ones. And again their voice is not heard, because reporters are busy tripping on what Crazy-Sheikh-With-A-Sword is saying, or shall I say YELLING, in the name of Islam.
"Muslim student opposes violence" is not a NEWS HEADLINE. On the other hand, what makes the news is "So-called sheikh who-ever, yelling death to america"
Muslims share the fault, by letting such people represent them and speak in their name, in their religions name, etc. However we as Muslims can't take the fall for every crazy mo-fo who claims to speak for Islam.
As you can see, Muslims do speak up, but the media, and hence the public, are focused elsewhere, because their bias blinds them from accepting this fact, due to the extent of damage already done by some wackos in the name of Islam.
And the number of negative, ignorant, and racist comments, here and everywhere seem to support my case.
When someone like myself speaks up, they are labeled non-Muslims by Muslim extremists, and labeled much worse by the general public, including Canadians, and your blog stands as my witness!
Besides yourself and Dave Lucas, who else is keeping an open mind and attempting to discuss any issue without attacking ALL Muslims, referring to ALL of us as "Terrorists" and "Cave men" and clearly stating how not welcome we are, despite the fact that all they got from me is a positive attempt to discuss issues in a constructive manner and my constant criticism of ill behavior by many Muslims!
Are you still wondering why?
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"ahmed says... Are you still wondering why?"
i'm interested in hearing why.
but ahmed, the stereotypes don't seem to come entirely from bigots and a bent media.
it puzzles me how so many people in canadian islamic organisations (as in my previous comment) are allowed to spew whacked statements to the press... that's a big part of the problem here.
and, i'm afraid it's up to people like yourself, to do something about it.
i think you can see what the price of letting these guys speak for you will be.
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X says this in the name of Islam, I say that in the name of Islam, anyone can say anything and attribute it to Islam or any other faith, or cause or whatever.
As a listener, reader, news watcher, I think of what is said, written, or reported, and I decide whether to accept, reject, or even dismiss it.
When I hear a crazy person from the KKK or a similar movement, claiming they are doing Gods work and purifying the earth from evil, by killing Blacks, Jews, Muslims, and so on, claiming that they are speaking for Christianity. Its up to me to dismiss their claim, not as a Muslim, not as a non-Christian, not as a Canadian or Egyptian or wherever I might come from.
I dismiss it as a person with common sense and fair judgment, or so I'd like to believe. I dismiss those claims and beliefs, despite the fact that this person is posing by a cross, or reading quotes from the Bible justifying his or her cause.
I dismiss it because it doesn't make sense, at least in my opinion, as I see their means to be more evil than whatever their cause might be.
Same applies, or should apply, for people speaking or acting in the name of Islam!
When one claims to be killing civilians in the name of God or Islam, while I know that God never instructed or promoted killing innocent civilians, under ANY circumstances, so I decide to dismiss this claim and consider him to be a criminal.
Its up to me as a person to decide, and its up to me not to blame Christianity for this person's wrong doing. While only a fool would believe that this person is speaking for Christianity.
One cannot prevent another from saying whatever the f*** they want.
Considering it to be true or false, and acting upon it is what matters.
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"Ahmad says... X says this in the name of Islam, I say that in the name of Islam, anyone can say anything and attribute it to Islam..."
ahmed... i guess the difference here, for instance, is that... mohammed elmasry is the president of the canadian islamic council and syed soharwardy is president of the islamic supreme council of canada.
if someone, for example, from the catholic archdiocese of toronto started talking about militarily targeting protestants over the age of 18... he'd be out on his ass before he hung up the phone.
surely you can see why people might be worried about stuff like this?
and if these guys aren't spokesmen for islam... what exactly are they?
it's an important question, my friend... because these guys are, in native born canadian eyes... primarily because of their positions in these organisations... speaking for the islamic community.
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Not everyone in such a critical political position IS an actual representation of the community. Don't tell me that Mr. Bush, the president of the "land of the free" is an actual representation of the average American. In fact, politics and the underground policy makers, put him there, to serve other personal agendas.
Same applies in the Muslim world and certainly in other communities as well. And just so you know, these councils, ans similar entities, are MOSTLY privately funded and operated, hence they usually reflect the views of however is in power, and serves the purposes of whoever is funding and or counting on such entities to achieve a personal goal, whether it be political, financial, and so on.
Fortunately, privately funded projects, such as http://www.spiritofislam.com/ which is not to be confused with THEspiritofislam.com actually represent the more "moderate" Muslim community. This project is ran by a person called Ashraf Zaghloul, and I say a person as this guy is honest enough and humble enough not to claim to be a "Sheikh" or "Imam" and not claiming any kind of superiority over the people. Despite the fact that he does actually lead prayers, and in some occasions preach to the community, based on his understanding of Islam, and you will be surprised to see the number of people who show up.
What never ceases to amaze me is the fact that despite his obvious accent, he still does his best to discuss issues in English attempting to relate to the Canadian people specifically, and English speakers in general.
His TV and radio shows, often aired by Rogers on Omni, and sometimes on 710 or 720 am radio (not exactly sure which one) actually hits the nail when it comes to Islam interpretation of various issues, like women oppression, sharia law, and other sensitive issues that you hardly hear anyone from the Muslim community itself addressing!
His guests are usually average Muslim people, with rare affiliations, if any, with so-called Muslim entities, and of course some guests are appearing due to their role in such entities.
Please take sometime to check out episodes #12 and #19 in which the Muslim women guests, in my opinion, speak for the Muslim women, especially young ones, in the Canadian Society.
Now you tell me why are Canadians more interested in hearing some nut case with a hook, who attributes all kinds of violence to Islam rather than hearing from such a person like Ashraf Zaghloul, or his guests who ACTUALLY represent the Muslim community in full effect, who actually promote discussion and debate to fix those mis-conceptions ?!
Check it out and let me know if you still feel that moderate Muslims aren't doing some effort to promote tolerance and peace rather than instigate hate and violence!
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"ahmed says... Now you tell me why are Canadians more interested in hearing some nut case with a hook..."
ahmed... you are the only muslim i have heard who actually has had the courage to label these guys as "nut cases".
the vast majority of the politically correct mainstream media wouldn't dare to do that for fear of being labelled racist.
i think it is misguided to try put this on "canadians choosing to hear..." rather than these prominent representatives of the islamic community who are choosing to very publicly scream out their disturbing messages.
it is truly up to educated, mainstream muslims such as yourself to take charge of your "public face" in the canadian community.
the squeaky fanatic does indeed get the grease... and will continue to do so until people like yourself stand up and shout, "wait a minute... that is not islam"...
your blogger profile says you are in "communications... i urge you to start up a blog on this very issue. my guess is you would have a huge audience with the message you are trying to get out here.
thank you for the info about ashraf zaghloul... i urge my readers to check out what this gentleman has to say.
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I appreciate your encouragement and I have been seriously thinking of taking such an action, however due to my excessive work/study load I was skeptical of being able to keep up and maintain such a project considering time constraints.
However, if I can find the time to respond to your inquiries and address other issues on different blogs, then apparently I DO have the time to participate in such a project.
As for the media is concerned, on the same day those people mis-guided the public about the true teachings of Islam regarding this incident, PLEASE check how other Muslims addressed this specific issue by speaking up
http://www.youngmuslims.ca/public/PressAqsa.asp
So its false to claim that moderate Muslims are the problem because they don't speak up, or because they let such people do the talking.
NO! We DO speak up, yet I repeat, and I am 100% sure that RACISM and PRE-BIAS have a lot to do with the PUBLIC media channels CHOOSING who to report and quote, resulting in the public perceiving the bad example rather than the good example!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmvqMaIKKpw
Sorry.. posted the link wrong, this is an interesting response to the Aqsa Parvez case by Ashraf Zaghloul.
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while i appreciate any links anyone cares to put up here... please note that, out here in the sticks... we're on dialup... and we don't youtube.
everyone else... enjoy.
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