18 December 2007

Somebody explain this to me

Thank you, National Parole Board...

Mr. Latimer has served seven years in jail for the second-degree murder of his severely handicapped daughter, a killing he has steadfastly described as an act of mercy.

Meanwhile, on the same day, another panel of the parole board met and agreed to release a violent offender whose random, unprovoked attack left a young woman, Ji-Won Park, permanently brain-damaged.
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FROM THE COMMENTS:
One of my twin daughters is severely mentally disabled such that it is unlikely that she will progress beyond the mental age of a one month old baby.

Although only 15 months old, she is already having medical problems such as severe curvature of her spine and one hip which will likely dislocate itself over the next few years.


35 comments:

Anonymous said...

The Latimer case is politically charged by the advocates for the disabled. In essence he is now a political prisoner.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Latimer comitted murder and should be treated as a murderer. The Human Rights Act should be revised or abolished, their interference in some cases is ridiculus - Criminals are receiving more sympathy, publicity and attention than the victims.

John M Reynolds said...

The parole process assumes guilt and thus requires a show of remorse. This is under the idea that prisons are there to reform the convicted. Since Latimer feels that he did the right thing, he shows neither guilt nor remorse. He will be uneligable for parole under the current system. The kicker is, even if the parolee is not just acting when they show remorse, too many prove that once they are back home with the old pressures, they are susceptable of recommitting their crimes. How do you know if someone is truely reformed? Why is that the main purpose of prison given that it has been shown to be unreliable?

Neo Conservative said...

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anony-mouse squeaks... should be treated as a murderer."

use your brain, dufus... how many operations would you want to see your child go through?

his totally incapacitated daughter was being treated like a lab rat. rather than put her through more excrutiating pain... to no purpose, he did what he thought was right.

if your dog was suffering like this, you would take it to the vet to be painlessly put down.

why shouldn't human beings get the same sort of compassionate consideration?

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Reid said...

Latimer should stay at least as long as Svend Robinson did for helping to kill Sue Rodriguez. Oh wait...

Neo Conservative said...

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"reid said... at least as long as Svend Robinson..."

oh, c'mon... svend was really stressed out over his love life and he only made one tiny mista... oh, wait...

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syncrodox said...

Neo

According to the parole board Bob Latimer is an unrepentant killer.

Additionally, his case has always been politically charged with handicapped advocacy groups citing any mercy shown by the courts would amount to an "open season" on the handicapped.

With respect to the courts I offer today's shining example of fairness in the court system and consistency by advocate groups.

From QR77:

http://www.am770chqr.com/news/news_local.cfm?cat=7428109912&rem=81911&red=80110923aPBIny&wids=400&g

CALGARY/AM770CHQR - No time behind bars for a Calgary woman who pleaded guilty to failing to provide the necessities of life for her 12-year-old daughter over three years ago.
34-year-old Tammy Klippel has been given a 2-year-less-a-day conditional sentence.
In the first year of the sentence, Klippel will be under house arrest with the only exceptions being for court, work and the necessities.
The second year she will have to abide by a curfew.
Klippel's lawyer Paul Brunnen says the joint submission with the crown was the best way to go.
Klippel pleaded guilty to the charge after her 12-year-old daughter died in hospital from complications of diabetes in November of 2004.

As I understand this sad story, Mom neglected her diabetic 12 year old daughter to the point of death.

The sentence is 2 years open custody.

I also understand diabetes need not be fatal. By contrast the life that Tracy Latimer lived was nothing but pain, with no prospects of improvement and a terminal prognosis.

Where the fuck are the handicapped advocacy groups now? Is not condoning the fatal neglect of a handicapped child akin to declaring "open season" on the handicapped?

Maybe they view things differently because the perp is female? Maybe I don't get the fine fucking nuances?

But these cases do make an interesting exercise in compare and contrast.

Syncro

Neo Conservative said...

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"syncro says... Maybe they view things differently because the perp is female? Maybe I don't get the fine fucking nuances?"

as george orwell once said, "some animals are more equal than others."

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finn said...

"use your brain, dufus... how many operations would you want to see your child go through?"

By that reasoning, neo, it's all about Latimer, not his child. Was it his pain he wished to ease? I prefer to think not.

"his totally incapacitated daughter was being treated like a lab rat. rather than put her through more excrutiating pain... to no purpose, he did what he thought was right."

And should therefore be willing to pay society's asking price for his actions. He committed first-degree murder; a ten-year sentence is light for such a crime.

"if your dog was suffering like this, you would take it to the vet to be painlessly put down."

Leaving aside the fact that people are not dogs, there is a cost for the result achieved and you would have to pay it. In fact, you would not balk at the cost.

I am not unsympathetic to his plight, but society cannot condone murder. If he truly saw his daughter's death as the only solution to her pain, and he knows that murderers pay with prison time, he should be serving the ten years with a smile on his face, thinking it cheap at twice the price: a daddy taking the hit for his kid.

KEvron said...

ooh! can we throw terri schiavo into the mix?!

KEvron

KEvron said...

"how many operations would you want to see your child go through?"

all of them.

KEvron

Neo Conservative said...

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"finn says... By that reasoning, neo, it's all about Latimer, not his child."

what unadulterated crap.

latimer's totally disabled child is being put through the medical wringer again and again... and you want to impute he's just "takin' out the trash" to ease his own pain.

you know what, finn... it's not even worth disputing the rest of this specious troll.

you oh-so-compassionate, uber-sanctimonious pinkos just slay me. why don't you just take it on over to rabble... they'll eat this happy horseshit up.

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Neo Conservative said...

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kevron... if you imagine for even a second that wiping your own shit all over the walls here... does anything more than expose your apparent lack of purpose and communication skills, you are sadly mistaken.

i could simply act as most of your progressive pals would do... and delete this nonsense as it comes in, but hey little boy, knock yourself out... you underline every point i have ever made about the lost, illiterate left.

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KEvron said...

"he did what he thought was right."

why, that's the very definition of "innocent"!

"if your dog was suffering like this, you would take it to the vet to be painlessly put down"

well, both child and fido do eat from the same bowl....

"why shouldn't human beings get the same sort of compassionate consideration?"

would that include those suffering delusions of grandeur? oddly enough, that's the very i reason i had to put down my d_g....

KEvron

KEvron said...

"anony-mouse squeaks..."

now give it good to that other anonymous fucker!

KEvron

KEvron said...

"you underline every point i have ever made about the lost, illiterate left."

damn! i hate when i do that!

KEvron

KEvron said...

"you know what, finn... it's not even worth disputing the rest of this specious troll."

this is a parody blog, right? it's got to be....

KEvron

syncrodox said...

Kevron

This is in fact a parody of humanity if only you would offer the definitive post on redundant retardation.

Please?

Dyncro

KEvron said...

sorry, sin crow, but i've left mt rosetta stone in my other pants....

KEvron

KEvron said...

here's a joke:

q: what's the hardest part about eating a vegitable?

a:first, you have to get away with murdering your permanently brain damaged child....

KEvron

finn said...

I'm pretty sure you're misreading what I'm saying, neo. Read it again, if you would.

I did not, and would not, imply that Latimer's child was trash. I did not, and would not, imply that his decision was not unimaginably heartbreaking. I see Robert Latimer as a good man put in an unbearable position, whose only way out is to commit an act that puts him beyond the pale even as it eases his daughter's pain. He was caught between the rock of his daughter's suffering and the hard place of a prison sentence if he kills her to ease that suffering. That he made the choice in favour of his daughter, that he chose to take the pain of prison to save her the pain she had to live with, speaks highly of his love for her. His lack of remorse proves how convinced he is that he made the right decision.

I see him as an honourable man who saw a prison sentence as worth doing if it would save his daughter her pain. Society, I think, recognized that to the best it was able by giving him a lighter-than-usual sentence for what was by definition a first-degree murder. He could not be allowed to walk, no matter how much we might wish it to be so.

"you oh-so-compassionate, uber-sanctimonious pinkos just slay me. why don't you just take it on over to rabble... they'll eat this happy horseshit up."

I'd like to think I'm compassionate, I don't really think I'm sanctimonious, and I'm positive I'm no pinko. I really think I just did a crappy job of making my point in my first comment. But, "your-house, your-rules", as they say. Adios.

finn said...

I'm pretty sure you're misreading what I'm saying, neo. Read it again, if you would.

I did not, and would not, imply that Latimer's child was trash. I did not, and would not, imply that his decision was not unimaginably heartbreaking. I see Robert Latimer as a good man put in an unbearable position, whose only way out is to commit an act that puts him beyond the pale even as it eases his daughter's pain. He was caught between the rock of his daughter's suffering and the hard place of a prison sentence if he kills her to ease that suffering. That he made the choice in favour of his daughter, that he chose to take the pain of prison to save her the pain she had to live with, speaks highly of his love for her. His lack of remorse proves how convinced he is that he made the right decision.

I see him as an honourable man who saw a prison sentence as worth doing if it would save his daughter her pain. Society, I think, recognized that to the best it was able by giving him a lighter-than-usual sentence for what was by definition a first-degree murder. He could not be allowed to walk, no matter how much we might wish it to be so.

"you oh-so-compassionate, uber-sanctimonious pinkos just slay me. why don't you just take it on over to rabble... they'll eat this happy horseshit up."

I'd like to think I'm compassionate, I don't really think I'm sanctimonious, and I'm positive I'm no pinko. I really think I just did a crappy job of making my point in my first comment. But, "your-house, your-rules", as they say. Adios.

KEvron said...

"vegitable"?! d'oh!

KEvron

KEvron said...

actualy, finn, this is my house. i just allow nc to wipe his shit on the walls here....

KEvron

Anonymous said...

You think that is warped what about the leftists that want euthanasia and the state to oversee it? Yeah right... I wanna be a conservative lying in bed in a hospital run by a bunch of leftists with the right to terminate my life depending on what is written on the clipboard beside me...
(real conservative)

Reg said...

Kevron,

RT has a new playground for you to defile, unless of course you weren't invited.

Neo Conservative said...

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okay, finn... i can see i over-reacted here.

my only excuse is that this one really gets under my skin.

it pisses me off that people seem to think latimer is the right guy to crucify... to make a very political point.

life is very often an unfair shitstorm... but this guy has been dealt more than his share of bad hands.

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Neo Conservative said...

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reg... kevron is obviously one of those kids nobody really ever paid any attention to.

for him... negative attention is better than no attention at all... which is why he has 10 of the 27 comments here thus far.

he's the misfit who yells out nonsense and ducks behind the fence before people can see him.

if he wasn't so unlikeable, you'd have to feel sorry for him.

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license to kevron said...

Kevie is like the neighbors big dopey dog that comes over and drools, slobbers, humps your leg, takes a dump on your lawn and yet you still toss him a biscuit and scratch his ears...here boy, here boy, c'mon Kevie, that's a good boy...

KEvron said...

woohoo! me! me! me!

KEvron

Neo Conservative said...

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sad.

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MB said...

Although this thread has seemed to degenerate a bit, I would like to add some of my personal point of view to this topic.

I agree that Mr. Latimer has served his time and should be allowed to go free, as he is no threat to society.

As for deserving his sentence and accepting his fate, I see no complaints from him on that. It is some of us who say it is unfair.

I believe his sentence was a unfair and it is the fault of our justice system being unable to handle this situation.

One of my twin daughters is severly mentally disabled such that it is unlikely that she will progress beyond the mental age of a one month old baby. Although only 15 months old, she is already having medical problems such as sever curvature of her spine and one hip which will likely dislocate itself over the next few years.

She is not in any pain now (that we know of), but I fear to imagine 12 years down the road.

If you want to condemn Mr Latimer and what he did, fine. But I urge you to try and understand his situation before you do.

I have a new appreciation for what he faced after having started to experience it myself. And I think that no jury who did experience what he did would have given him such a sentence.

Neo Conservative said...

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"mb said... I have a new appreciation for what he faced after having started to experience it myself. And I think that no jury who did experience what he did would have given him such a sentence."

i cannot begin to imagine the strength it takes to deal with this situation.

thx for sharing this.

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KEvron said...

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isn't it, though?

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KEvron

KEvron said...

"But I urge you to try and understand his situation before you do."

what was his situation again? oh, yeah: he'd become saddled with a less-than-ideal child, so he killed her for his own benefit.

KEvron