25 January 2010

Bright lights, big city...

...another Hogtown homicide...

-- TORONTO -- A 43-year-old man was found beaten to death in downtown Toronto apartment Sunday afternoon.

Toronto Police were called to the building on Cameron St., near Queen St. W. And Spadina Ave., around 1 p.m. to investigate a reported assault.

Clayton Hill, 35, who was arrested at the scene, is charged with second-degree murder.
Exactly how long & how hard do you have to beat on someone... to squeeze the very life out of them?

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FROM THE COMMENTS: Mr Hill's friends drop by...
"Clayton is a good man, you have no idea the circumstances that may be surrounding this situation."

"There has to be so much more to this."
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UPDATE: Third victim of 2010 id'd
John Suk, 43, was found dead inside a run-down basement apartment Sunday afternoon. Toronto Police said Suk had been staying with a man for the past two weeks.
Three murders... not quite four weeks.


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Anonymous said...

At least this POS Hill takes the pressure off of legal gun owners. Can we expect Miller to ban fists, boots and clubs next?

Rob C

Neo Conservative said...

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"rob c asks... Can we expect Miller to ban fists, boots and clubs next?"

nope.

despite the fact that guns kill people like cars cause accidents and pencils write books... his blondeness & company will surely continue to demonise law-abiding owners of legal firearms... rather than actual criminals.

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Anonymous said...

Things are not always as they appear. Mr. Hill is a colleague of mine. Everyone at his workplace is in complete shock. There is much more to this story. Nobody knows the truth yet, but we all know that Mr. Hill is not a bloodthirsty murderer. Circumstances must have been extreme for this to have happened, and we do not know what those circumstances are.

Anonymous said...

Hey anon, is this some drug deal or gay pickup scene? That is what usually happens when its not a hardened thug. (real conservative)

Neo Conservative said...

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"anon says... Circumstances must have been extreme for this to have happened"

hmmm... sounds like what happens when some guy goes bananas and slaughters his family... the headline always reads... "he was such a nice, quiet guy"... when in fact it should say... "neighbours didn't know diddley-squat".

just out of curiosity... what sort of "circumstances" (and please note i can actually imagine a plausible scenario) would allow you personally to beat another human being to death.

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Anonymous said...

Real Conservative - Speaking from experience?

Anonymous said...

It only takes one blow to the head to kill someone, never assume what happened until the facts are in. This assumed blood thirsty person has a family and I would imagine that the victim does to, therefore until one knows the facts it is repulsing that one would be judged so unfairly. I don't think that what Clayton did was right by any means but a little respect for the situation is in order.

Neo Conservative said...

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"anon sagely proposes... one blow to the head"

well, maybe in a ninja movie, bro... and, in any case... what part of "found beaten to death" suggests this was some sort of unfortunate one-punch misunderstanding?

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Sean R said...

Clayton is also a friend of mine as well, and has been for some time.

I am currently on business in New York, and just learned of these events earlier today. Clay is a well known, and well respected, mobile communications developer & company owner -- a company I have worked for myself in the past.

I have known and worked with Clayton on numerous web & telecommunications projects over the course of the last ten years. I know him well enough both socially and professionally, to flatly state that he is in *not* a violent man. Over a period of ten years of close interaction, I have never seen him yell, or loose is temper, even when under serious duress.

-- Which is why these events have left our entire community of friends and colleges astonished and reeling at what has occurred.

We don’t yet know the exact details of what happened, but if you read the various news articles surrounding the event, it is clear that Clayton himself called 911 for an ambulance -- not the actions of someone whose intent was to kill. By the reports, It sounds like the two came to blows in a confrontation, and it resulted in tragedy. Clayton called for and awaited the arrival of the emergency team, and surrendered himself to the custody of the police.

I am awaiting the specific details of these events to emerge, as are the rest of our friends and family. I feel terrible for the victim in this altercation, and apologize [even if I am not in the proper position to do so] on Clayton’s behalf to the friends and family of the victim

I am currently arranging to cut my business trip short to arrive home early.

Sean Riddolls

Neo Conservative said...

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"sean r says... astonished and reeling"

sadly sean... a sense of disbelief isn't any sort of ameliorating factor here.

to recap...

the victim was described as being beaten to death.

clayton is charged, not with manslaughter... but 2nd degree murder.

if your friend was simply defending himself here... it sounds as though he has ample grounds to sue both the media & the toronto police service.

to be fair... i guess if it were my close friend in this particular situation, i'd be reeling a little too.

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Melinda said...

Don't you dare pass judgment on this man until this is resolved and the facts are out. This is a very sad thing for many reasons. A man is dead. And Clayton is a good man, you have no idea the circumstances that may be surrounding this situation.
I hope no one here ever finds themselves shellshocked the next day and wondering how this kind of thing could happen to them. Mr. Hill is very close and dear to me, and he is not any sort of person who would do such a thing normally, IF he has actually done it at all. I don't know what happened or why, and I'm extremely sorry to hear there is a death possibly involving a friend of mine... but I have to believe in that friend because I've known him very closely and for a very very long time. There has to be so much more to this.

Neo Conservative said...

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"melinda demands... Don't you dare pass judgment"

i trust melinda, that you'll be writing a similar missive to the toronto sun & the metropolitan toronto police service?

perhaps clayton is totally innocent and has indeed been railroaded. there is, unfortunately, nothing in the public record thus far to corroborate that theory.

it does sound as though clayton is a lucky man to inspire such strong feelings among his friends & associates.

i do have to wonder if john suk, the victim, has friends & family who feel the same way.

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Anonymous said...

Clay is one of the sweetest men i have ever known.
i went out with him for around two months.
He is caring, respectful, and very decent. Clay is a true gentleman.
He was always smiley and cheerful.. full of life and love.
He loved and valued life.
There is no way Clay could be as vicious as that.
There must be more to this.
Neo Conservative;Please do not pass judgement on someone you don't know.

Anonymous said...

2nd degree murder in canada simply means it was not pre-meditated. In other words it was "spur of the moment". A self-defence killing could be considered 2nd degree murder depending on the circumstances. Manslaughter is any culpable death that is not murder, which could also include a death resulting from self-defence depending on the circumstance. There is no point in speculating and passing judgement now. More facts will be released as the case unfolds I'm sure.

Neo Conservative said...

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"anon says... A self-defence killing could be considered 2nd degree murder"

no... not true.

if this charge isn't reduced to manslaughter... your friend is in a world of hurt.

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Anonymous said...

Toronto Police are holding a press conference today at 10:30 am. I'm sure we'll all find out a bit more. I know that the victims name has been released; John Tuk.

Melinda said...

I don't know the victim at all but I'm sure he has friends and family who are very hurt by this sad event. We are sad for and with them. There are so many people who know and love Clay, and wish there was some way to understand or undo this.

Anonymous said...

I am a friend of John Suk and am deeply saddened by this horrific news. Looking for answers 'why' although it will not ease the pain. Thanks to those for sharing their compassion for the victim in this tragedy.

Neo Conservative said...

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"melinda says... wish there was some way to understand or undo this"

well, mel... if your mother had wheels she'd be a truck.

unless you have some way a la star trek to manipulate the space-time continuum... i'd say your friend is hip deep in bad juju.

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Anonymous said...

Anon friend of John, do you know anything about him and Clayton's relationship?

bathory said...
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bathory said...

Let's try that again with correct grammar.

All you people defending Clayton seem to perfectly happy to turn a blind eye to his downward spiral through drug addiction over the last 8 years. Maybe you have never seen him violent but I certainly lived with his erratic and unpredictable behaviour for more than year. Having said that I am out the loop on his current circumstances.

Neo Conservative said...

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"bathory says... his very downward spiral through drug addiction (and constant manipulative behaviour)"

there seemed to be something amiss... media reports have the murder occurring in a storefront cum basement apartment with cardboard taped to windows instead of curtains.

just off the top of my head... sure doesn't sound like a successful businessman.

care to fill in the blanks?

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bathory said...

I don't know his present circumstances and it's unfair of me to speculate on what led to the very sad and vicious passing of Mr. Suk.

I couldn't help but be surprised that even his friends are trying to make Mr Hill out as some sort of angel.

Anonymous said...

Neo, Please stop Trolling. "Beaten to Death" is what the sexy news is saying; not what the official police reports state. Please do some research.

Bathory, how long have you been out of the country?

I, also am a good friend of Mr. Hills. I will also state that violence is not what I would consider part of his nature. I have also been there with him threw the good times and the bad times.

This is a on-going investigation which has yet to be concluded.

None of US were there.

Until it is concluded, and a matter of public record; all of this is speculation.

Anonymous said...

You can hear the Toronto Police mp3 from the media briefing here:

http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/media/audio/2010.01.26-1030.mp3

Anonymous said...

Clayton Hill is an enormous piece of garbage and is also a drug addict. Myself and several people knew this idiot several years back when he would promote club nights or raves or whatever. He was big into 'E' back then, so I can only suspect that he's made the natural progression to harder drugs (heroin?) and this is what this incident was over.

Anonymous said...

"charming and sweet"
"not violent at all"

Didn't they say the same things about that wrestler Chris Benoit after he strangled and killed his wife and kid?

Anonymous said...

Assuming that he's a heroin addict because he did E at a rave is insane.

Neo Conservative said...

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it appears as though mr hill didn't just evoke strong feelings among his friends.

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Anonymous said...

Clay is not an angel,, noone is. He is simply a human who made mistakes, perhaps.
But.. seriously.. who did not?????
who of us have not yelled and screamed at the top of his lungs at someone??
intimate partner relationships lends its self to the possibilit of that occuring. If he was that horrible.. why did you stay that long?????
Just because you were not a good mtach does not make your ex a horrible human being.
many people do many drugs.. but do they all go on killing rampages??
NO
Anyway, enough has been said about what a monter or an angel Clay is.
Should seriously hold on the comments till after the media release.
Let us not judge the man before knowing what went on.. enough to show what kind of a man Clay is ,, is him calling 911 and waiting for authorities to come.

Anonymous said...

where are people getting this "info" that he called the cops himself? I haven't seen that anywhere. and no, he was no angel but sometimes mistakes are made. it only takes a second to lose it and hit someone with the closest thing you find. that doesn't make him a monster, and him being a "really nice guy" doesn't make him an angel. he fucked up, big time. had been fucking up for a while now apparently and it caught up to him.

Neo Conservative said...

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update... autopsy results...

"John 'Chin' Suk was brutally beaten inside a home on Cameron Street, located in the city’s West Queen West neighbourhood, on Sunday.

"An autopsy revealed that 43-year-old Suk died from a blunt impact injury to his head. The man’s roommate was arrested at the scene and charged with second-degree murder."

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Anonymous said...

Why should we hold off on comments? This is the internet, bitches! We don't need to hold off on anything!

Emma said...
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Neo Conservative said...

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"emma says... There are none."

i can think of two...

1) self-defense (legally justified)

2) he hurt someone i loved (fuck it, i'll do the time)

sounds like the coppers have ruled both of these out.

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Anonymous said...

The police audio said that Suk recently moved in with Hill. Into 63 Cameron Street. In that shabby basement apartment with cardboard instead of curtains. Really, check it out on Google Street View (or the photos going around the news wire). Are we supposed to believe that this "well off" network analyist wasn't into something on the shady side of the street if he kept a dwelling like this?

Face the facts. Your buddy is a murderer and is more than likely also a drug addict. Thankfully he's been caught before he could do this to other people.

Emma said...
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Neo Conservative said...

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"emma says... Then that would be murder 1."

em, read slower... "fuck it, i'll do the time".

narrowly & objectively, you're correct. it would legally be murder... but morally (if you accept the premise that all morality is personal) it would simply be justice.

you have a child? try imagining someone maimed or hurt that child.

you get it now, right?

and no, pinko legends aside... the cops don't arrest the wrong guy a lot of the time.

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Anonymous said...

From the national post

“We are very interested in learning of the relationship between Mr. Hill and Mr. Suk and any information that may have precipitated this incident,” Det. Eckland said at a press conference at police headquarters on Jan. 25.

Police and Emergency Services responded to a 9-1-1 call around 1 p.m. on Sunday Jan. 24 at 63 Camden Street and despite efforts to revive Mr. Suk, he was pronounced dead at the scene.

Det. Eckland said an autopsy revealed that Mr. Suk died of a “blunt impact head injury,” possibly caused by a hatchet found at the scene.

Police said Mr. Suk had been estranged from his family for a number of years and they were unaware of his lifestyle or situation.

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Isn't it usually a huge ashtray or a lamp or something that is grabbed in a "heat of the moment" head bash?

Melinda said...

Wow.
And the stones fly out of glass houses.

The Police do not know WHAT happened. At this stage, Clayton has made a statement, and the Crown is pressing charges, which is what the Crown does when a person is killed. The next disclosure hearing is in February. The police are asking for ANY information about this situation from ANYONE, regarding the relationship, regarding the event, regarding everything.
Clayton has possibly made a statement about the situation regarding self-defense, or how the situation escalated, and at this point the job of the police is to keep what they know out of the public speculation so that evidence can be collected without the influence of personal statements by the accused. It is ENTIRELY POSSIBLE that on a date in the future, when the big SPLASH of all this media crap is gone and you guys have gone on with your lives and this "monster" slips out of relevant memory, that there will be a disclosure hearing where the Crown has not made a case enough to move forward with second degree murder. Or maybe they will.
We just don't know. YOU just don't know.

The police will not disclose at this time whom the 911 call came from. But either way, Clay remained at the scene rather than running. Think about that.

I relate to Clay on a lot of levels. I've lived in some pretty crappy apartments at times when I've been considered successful and worn a suit to work. Hell, at one point I didn't even have a shower and cleaned myself at the gym. But the rent was great and I was right downtown in the heart of the action, so it was awesome. I've had garbage bags taped to my windows. I've also helped some folks that other people considered pretty skeezy. Unemployed people, like John Suk, who apparently was being allowed by Clayton to stay in this place. Something happened, something that got out of control, something terrible, but we don't know what yet.
We also don't know if Clayton sustained injuries, we only know the victim had obvious signs of trauma and died of blunt impact to the head. They could have been in an all-out physical confrontation and he got his head smacked off a counter or floor.

I've been in my fair share of tear-down fights, emotion-fed brawls and assaults. There's always a reason they start, and a reason they finish the way they do. I'm not saying John Suk did anything that deserved losing his life. It's a terrible loss, terribly sad. And I bet wherever Clay's being held right now, the fact that he took a life is the hardest thing he's going through right now.

Ok this post got kinda long and rambly. What I am saying is we don't know what happened, and the legal process has Clay's side of the story neatly wrapped up in red tape for the time being.
So throw stones where you will...

I hope this sort of thing never happens to you. If you've never in your life found yourself balled up and sobbing, terrified and wondering how you wound up where you are, you are a blessed, blessed person.

Anonymous said...

Two people get in an argument. It becomes a fist fight, and one of them falls back and hits his head on a coffee table in just the right (wrong) way, and he dies.

Murder 2.

If you think a human cannot die from a single blow to the head, then you simply don't really know very much about the human brain.

Another scenario: A mentally unbalanced, recently homeless person with a criminal record goes nuts and attacks his roommate with a hatchet. Roommate manages to grab onto the hatchet to prevent his face from being sliced off. In the struggle, he manages to hit the psycho in the head with the blunt end of it (since the sharp end is pointed toward him). He continues to do this in an effort to save his own life, since someone is trying to murder him. Psycho is fatally injured by the blunt force trauma to the head in the altercation.

The point is, we know almost nothing about what happened. It seems quite silly to make the assumptions that some of you are tossing around so freely.

Emma said...
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Anonymous said...

Perhaps Mr.Suk was trying to murder Mr. Hill and he got the short end of the stick?

It's going to be a interesting court case and in any event, a very sad event.

Neo Conservative said...

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"emma@5:29 says... and yes, the police arrest the "wrong" person all the time."

ante up.

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Neo Conservative said...

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"melinda says... I've been in my fair share of tear-down fights, emotion-fed brawls and assaults."

good lord, mel... where about do you live?

p.s. -- i'm only asking so i never get caught there after dark.

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Melinda said...

Oh come on, Neo...

You don't want to die without any scars, do ya?

I live in Toronto. The big, the bad. No matter where you live in all the world, violent crime seems to be occurring down the street.

It's a sad sign of the times.

Neo Conservative said...

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"melinda asks... You don't want to die without any scars, do ya?"

well, melinda... i used to think that way... back in my "fuck it, who wants to live forever" motorcycle/pharmaceutical/distillery days.

trust me, unless you're keith richards... you get to a certain point in life... you shoot for simpler & less painful.

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Neo Conservative said...

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update: well folks... if it's any consolation... it looks as though clayton hill v chin suk isn't the only action in town.

toronto the good... that's priceless.

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Anonymous said...

Seems the lot of you have forgotten that we live in a society of 'innocent until proven guilty'.

Who he was 8 years ago vs who he was while living with Bathory vs who he was at work vs who he was to Melinda and others isn't as important as who he was when Mr.Suk was killed.

Mr.Hill, his family and the Suk family find themselves all in very sad circumstances. It would be to everyone's advantage if we all took a step back, saved the sharp comments for later and waited for the truth to come out.

I have known this man for many years and have experienced different sides of him. As of late, I would not consider myself a friend of Mr.Hill but I choose not to judge, drudge up the past or bring his flaws to the table at a time like this. Having said that, I am not throwing my support behind him. I am merely choosing to wait this out until the justice system has run it's course. Anyone with an ounce of integrity would choose not to assassinate his character right now. Should he be proven guilty, there will be enough time for that. If you were to ever find yourself in similar circumstances I am quite confident that you would appreciate the empathy of your peers.

As for the allegation of his friends allowing Mr.Hill to spiral out of control with drugs over time, I suppose I would then have to ask if (as mentioned) you had not been involved in his life for the past few years, and don't find it fair to comment on his recent circumstances that perhaps it be unfair for you to comment on the circumstances of his friends regarding his drug use.

I sincerely hope that both families and friends of both Mr.Hill and Mr.Suk get the peace they are so deserving of once this is all over.

Neo Conservative said...

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"anon says... If you were to ever find yourself in similar circumstances"

circumstances?

that's what we're calling it now?

good grief.

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Anonymous said...

Again, innocent until proven guilty. We do not know the details of what happened that day. I know you may be shocked by this, but the police are not the all powerful OZ. They do and have made some serious mistakes, including arresting/charging the wrong person for a crime.

So yes, I do call it 'circumstances'.

Having read your comments throughout, I suppose it is safe to assume that no one has ever accused you of doing something you have not done or had a legitimate reason for doing.
And further to that, you were and are ok with them believing what you were accused of or what was said about it. Who needs to hear the other side, right?

Neo Conservative said...

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"anon protests... I suppose it is safe to assume that no one has ever accused you of doing something you have not done"

you mean... like beating someone to death?

it hasn't happened yet.

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Anonymous said...

Neo-Con,

The day is still early.

Anonymous said...

NeoCon drooled: "you mean... like beating someone to death?"

Or stealing a cookie from the cookie jar. Are you serioulsy claiming that you have never been wrongfully accused of something in your entire life? Are you 8?

Anonymous said...

I don't get the impression Neo-Con is the type of person to beat a man to death.

He likely prefers to shoot them.

Neo Conservative said...

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"anon persists... Or stealing a cookie from the cookie jar."

whoa... stealing a cookie?

you ever think you're maybe holding on to some of this stuff past its best-before date?

oh, what the heck... i'll bite...

you're apparently accusing me of being an insensitive lout, but honestly... but i'm guessing i'll forget about it about 2 seconds after i post this comment.

p.s. - what did clayton say to you when you visited him at the crowbar motel?

yeah... that's what i thought.

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Neo Conservative said...

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"my own personal troll spouts... I don't get the impression Neo-Con is the type of person to beat a man to death."

"He likely prefers to shoot them."


ah, yes... the ever-present playground rhetoric of the compassionate, intellectual left.

i dunno, bobo... looks like you're losin' your edge.

so sad.

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Anonymous said...

Lefty? Nay-Nay. You've confused me with someone else and failed to comprehend what has been posted.

Bonehead.

Done.

Neo Conservative said...

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"anon shouts... Bonehead"

oh, nonny... you just don't get it, do you? you think you're gonna, what... hurt my feelings?

i guess the law business a little slow today.

i mean, i appreciate the traffic... but you think the other guys who are workin' their asses off... would appreciate you trolling the "blogging tories" all day long?

if you're gonna harass people from your place of employment... maybe you should use an anonymizer, huh?

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Anonymous said...

Neo-Con quipped:

whoa... stealing a cookie?
oh, what the heck... i'll bite...

OK, I really disagree with you on just about everything. But I must admit this was pretty damn funny. :)

Anonymous said...

I would first of all make it perfectly clear that I am the anonymous poster who posted the two original comments today that Neo Conservative has replied to, the responses are not me.

What I had said was not to liken being accused of murder to being accused of stealing a cookie; clearly there are tiers of wrong doings (murder being at the top of that list). What I had mean to say is that an accusation is an accusation and thus should be treated as such until proven otherwise. I am merely suggesting that perhaps you take a breath and wait to hear all of the facts before casting stones.

I would be terrified to live in your world, where judgments are passed before gathering all the information. What about, for example, a teacher who is accused by a student of improper relations? Only to find down the line (and admittedly by the student) that it was all a lie to get out of writing an exam or a paper? It has happened in the past and will likely happen in the future at some point. Should people pay for mistakes that aren't theirs until it's proven otherwise? Or should they pay if and when they are found guilty and only then?

I am not stating that I believe Mr.Hill is innocent or guilty. Just that I reserve my judgment until all the information is at the forefront.

I find it sad that you aren't able to see past your own assumptions and blindly accept and pass judgment on what you have heard thus far. (Not to mention that you have to resort to making ridiculous comments about the 'crowbar motel'.) Your arguments held more water before you took on the attitude of a pre-schooler.

Neo Conservative said...

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"anon says... Your arguments held more water before you took on the attitude of a pre-schooler."

well, counsellor... lemme see...

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"I don't get the impression Neo-Con is the type of person to beat a man to death."

"He likely prefers to shoot them."


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there's an adult response to that sort of thing? please, my learned friend, enlighten us.

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Non-Anonymous said...

This forum is getting way out of hand.
Melinda, great comments. You've summed up what I wanted to say.
Neo, you need.... I don't even know where to start.
Clayton, hopefully things work out for you. My prayers are for you, and my condolences to Mr. Suk's family and friends.
Someone will find out the true story at some point, and I hope that it eventually gets leaked to me. For now we can only speculate what happened. Which side of the story you want to believe is completely up to you.

PJ

Anonymous said...

Hey NC... You do realize that anyone can post as anon, right? It's pretty clear that there are a number of people posting anonymously.

Anonymous said...

"there's an adult response to that sort of thing? please, my learned friend, enlighten us."

The adult response is to either A) ignore the comment or B) acknowledge that you think the comment is juvenile and not respond in a similar fashion.

Neo Conservative said...

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"pj says... Clayton, hopefully things work out for you. My prayers are for you."

ah, a religious man & the power of prayer.

here's a question, pj... if it turns out clayton is found guilty... do you feel the same way?

no such thing as a bad boy, huh?

that's not how the "eye for an eye" bible calls it.

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Anonymous said...

Wow NC. You really had an opportunity to have an interesting debate on your blog. All you had to do was ignore the people making juvenile comments, and only respond to the others. Instead you have chosen to resort to dung flinging. I guess thats the best option when you really don't have anything valid or intelligent to say.

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Anonymous said...

Anyone remember the name Clayton DJ'ed under???

Neo Conservative said...

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"nonny-bot says... you really don't have anything valid or intelligent to say."

of course, nonny... because you say so.

do you have any idea of the vast quantity of puerile nonsense i have to wade through on a daily basis?

and then there are gomers like "liberal supporter"... guys who are even too cheap to pay for actual phone sex.

poor ol' libby... all that effort and i just delete him.

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zed dulac said...

Why on Earth should we waste tax-payer's money on a judicial system when Neo has already passed judgment? The man is obviously guilty - Neo said so! Let's gather around with pitchforks and bring out the executioner because obviously Neo knows all that there is to about this! Let's hang the dude for he knows all, and what's best.

I don't know what the hell happened here, but I will await the trial and see what facts come up. But one thing I won't be doing is drawing conclusions when I really don't know all the facts.

Neo: can you say you *really* know everything there is to know here? I am glad I live in a democracy with a decent judicial system that in Neo-land. I think you should change your name - I know a lot of conservatives who believe in justice who might be offended of you giving them a bad name.

Non-Anonymous said...

Hey Neo,
Did I say he wasn't guilty? If a jury comes back saying he is guilty, I will still say the same thing. As for my prayers being with him, I could have probably said something else but you would find ANY way to try to pull it apart to find an argument/insult. You remind me of someone on another site named ruxpin_exe. He is a jackass too.

PJ

Anonymous said...

it was : "Chill" !
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Neo Conservative said...

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"pj says... You remind me of someone on another site named ruxpin_exe"

oh wow... the time-tested, always effective... "you're a big poopy head" gambit.

a perpetual fave of the lunatic left.

you guys stick with your... "the fascist corrupt cops framed another poor middle class dupe" conspiracy theories.

clinton hill will... believe it or not... get his pitchforkless trial and we'll see just where the cowchips fall.

p.s. - all that stuff on the intertoobs about the cia & mossad bringing down the world trade center... don't believe everything you read.

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Anonymous said...

No he didn't DJ under Chill, he dj'd under Psy-Clone

Anonymous said...

Chill was his nick. Psy-Clone does sound right.

Neo Conservative said...

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"anon says... Psy-Clone does sound right."

ironically... he may just end up reaping the whirlwind here.

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Anonymous said...

hahahah psy-clone

Zed Dulac said...

Mr Brock:

For someone who doesn't like it when people make assumptions about your (for example, your outlook on guns), I find it laughable that you are so quick to jump to conclusions. Just hope you never get in trouble with the law: your position on justice and a look at your avatar on this site would be great fodder for the media.

Z.

Neo Conservative said...

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"z opines... Just hope you never get in trouble with the law"

hmmm... just what kinda freaky shit we talking about here?

call me a wuss, but these days, my idea of getting "in trouble with the law"... is something like forgetting to put on my turn signal, or parking beside a fire hydrant.

it most definitely does not include beating another human being to death.

the second the possibility of death or dismemberment rears its ugly head... i just jet.

i guess i'm a little funny that way.

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Melinda said...

PsyClone, Mr. DingleBerry, CHill...

What in the HECK do any of his alter-egos have to do with anything?

Though the Ruxpin comment made me laugh.

Melinda, Melon, Bunny Babe (yes, really), Urbavore, etc... we all have different names in this era of digital medium and expression.

To comment on the more intelligent of what's above, "innocent until proven guilty" is the utopian concept of legal processing, but unfortunately the way our system has developed, the public exposure factor is certainly "guilty until proven innocent" because charges are laid and told to the public long before they release the accused's side of the story. So yes, teachers' careers are easily ruined, citizens' reputations destroyed, whether they have committed a crime or not. It's all in the name of The Public's Right To Know (media-agenda) what the police are doing about a crime. And, simply put, the police aren't going to say "we've charged him with second degree murder because that's the worst that he might be guilty of, but oh we should mention that he says he was defending himself, but he has no corroborating witnesses so this is what we're doing".

It's "he's charged with second degree murder, we're appealing to the public to give us more information".

Anonymous said...

ROFLAMOOOOOO I forgot about Mr. Dingleberry. What a fucking moron that guy was.

Melinda. No one bringing up his nicknames cares if he's guilty or not. The guy is or was a giant fucking asshole so we're reserving the right to poke some fun at his misfortune. This is the internet. Get over it for fuck's sake.

Neo Conservative said...

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"melinda says... we're appealing to the public to give us more information"

keep your chin up, mel... i can see it now... breaking news... good ol' chin suk committed suicide with a hatchet.

maybe the cops are asking for info because clayton can't really explain this, uh... incident? you know, the dead battered body inconveniently located in his zen garden?

or, like some of your imaginative confreres above... maybe you actually believe they just arrest whoever's handy.

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Anonymous said...

What the deal is with this Chin Suk character anyway?

I mean, look at the picture of the guy. Clayton must of been off his rocker to allow this sketchy guy into his house. Two Weeks !

Let's see, sketchy homeless dude crashing at Clayton's house. Sketchy dude goes fucking haywire and it takes Clay a fight for his life to bring the guy down? Who knows.

We won't know the real story until Clayton's day in court...but fuck man, this Chin dude is not a upstanding citizen. He's known to police, no fixed address and who knows what evil shit he did before meeting his demise.

Anonymous said...

I haven't seen Clay in quite a few years but he is just about the last person I could have imagined doing something like this. I'm guessing drugs were involved, and I know only too well how far down that can drag people. This is all very sad and I hope that justice prevails, whatever that may mean in this case.

Anonymous said...

Prevail in an assault on your life with no witnesses and if your assailant dies, though self-defense is your right you can bet the police will not accept your explanation. Skepticism comes with police work, anyone not denying they killed someone will claim they acted in self-defense. For the police then the path of least resistance is to lay the most serious charge that has any reasonable chance of sticking and leave it to you to hire a lawyer to make the pitch to a jury that you acted in self-defense and let the system, the jury, the prosecutors, the plea bargaining process have at you. That way the system bears the accountability for the outcome, not them. And yes – reputations and lives of innocent people can be destroyed – it happens all the time. In Mr. Hill’s case the shrill call for the public to come forward with anything that would substantiate the charges is highly suggestive of a weak case. You can’t blame the police if their world view is not exactly trusting, they put their lives on the line every day to stand between ourselves and a subculture of human garbage whose members would remorselessly take your life for trivial personal gain – even pleasure – if they could convince the police they acted in self-defense.

Anyone who has studied martial arts can tell you that if someone assaults you in front of witnesses it is highly unlikely they are intent on killing you – witnesses mean they cannot reasonably expect to get away with murder. On the other hand if someone assaults you with no witnesses that is a different situation altogether. Here you have no prudent alternative other than to assume your assailant means to kill you, and you must use whatever force you can, even lethal force, to survive. And here is the dilemma – society and the police in particular will believe the most vulnerable members of society, e.g. women and children, when they relate events of an assault. They of course are the ones least likely to prevail in a contest of strength, and so successful self-defense, usually by an able-bodied adult male, brings with it suspicion of murder. You are expected to use “reasonable force” in defense of your life. Ultimately, the judgment of whether any force you used was reasonable will be made by educated specialists who have the luxury of calmly considering and debating for months what decision you as a layperson had to make in a split second under the extreme terror that an existential threat brings. Never mind if your assailant weighed 250 pounds and was whaling on you with a crowbar – if you succeed in defending yourself you now have a new problem of a very different sort. And if you happen to walk a bit on the shady side of the street – and who doesn’t or hasn’t to some extent at some point – although you are equally entitled to defend your life - your chances of convincing anyone in authority that this is what you did are going to be even less. Facts don’t always come out in trials, and when they do they are not always believed. Everyone who is charged with murder wants the best possible outcome for themselves. Sometimes that means innocent people plead guilty to lesser crimes such as manslaughter if their lawyer advises them that full acquittal is unlikely and pursuit of it will do them more harm than good. This happened recently in Ontario where a man confessed to a homicide of which he was later acquitted. Truth doesn’t always come out – the only thing certain to come out is an outcome.

I’ve read this discourse carefully, in particular Mr. Neo Con’s pattern of response. His tactic is typically to take a small portion of someone’s posting out of context and subject it to ridicule. The impression thus gained is here is someone whose mind is not large enough to grasp and respond with substance to the whole, but rather, a small mind that looks for chinks in one’s armor hoping to get in a cheap shot. So allow me please to condense this down to a single simple point: if your assailant doesn’t succeed in putting in the grave, he may well succeed in putting you in jail.

Neo Conservative said...

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"clairvoyant nonny writes an essay... 'the path of least resistance is to lay the most serious charge'."

of course... a less paranoid, complicated and equally valid scenario would be... one strung-out junkie took a hatchet and beat another strung-out junkie to death. as is their wont, the cops decided not to let it slide.

now it goes to a jury of his peers.

naw... let's just have a big, sexy self-important conspiracy.

you guys crack me up.

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Anonymous said...

"you guys crack me up"

... the laughing would best be left to whomever is ultimately proven to be right

Neo Conservative said...

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"anon says... the laughing would best be left to whomever is ultimately proven to be right"

now, who said that... o.j. simpson... or robert blake?

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suomynonA said...

Neo Conservative was possessed by daemons and spake thusly...
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"a less paranoid, complicated and equally valid scenario would be... naw, let's just have a big, sexy self-important conspiracy. "

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Neo, your visions of conspiracy when anybody contributes a post longer than 3 sentences says alot more about your own personal paranoia...

Anonymous said...

Anonymous suomynonA said...

Neo Conservative was possessed by daemons and spake thusly...
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"a less paranoid, complicated and equally valid scenario would be... naw, let's just have a big, sexy self-important conspiracy. "
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Neo, your visions of conspiracy when anybody contributes a post longer than 3 sentences says alot more about your own personal paranoia...

+1

Neo Conservative said...

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uh-huh... the venerable... "i know you are but what am i" defense.

so good you just have to say it twice.

p.s. - haven't heard that one since primary school... you get some nostalgia points here, nonny.

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Anonymous said...

Where has there been any suggestion made here of a conspiracy ? It's only about the world being more complicated than Neo Con's limited ability to understand it.

Neo Conservative said...

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"another anonymous troll whines... the world being more complicated"

what... clayton's just a patsy... somebody threw a hatchet from the grassy knoll?

good grief.

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Anonymous said...

No - only that MAYBE .... MAYBE ... he was defending himself.

Anonymous said...

What are you, a stupid person? You don't get charged with murder if you're self defending your body. Please be sincerely!

Anonymous said...

Neo Conservative was possessed by daemons and spake thusly...
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"clayton's just a patsy... somebody threw a hatchet from the grassy knoll?"

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You really must stop projecting your obsession with conspiracy onto the rest of us. It's getting a bit embarrassing...

Neo Conservative said...

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"another oblivious, anonymous troll shrieks... projecting your obsession"

oh my apologies... i forgot who i was dealing with... that comment should have ended with (/sarcasm).

carry on.

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Anonymous said...

Re "What are you, a stupid person? You don't get charged with murder if you're self defending your body. Please be sincerely!"

Chinese ? No matter - please read my earlier rather lengthy posting - sadly if you defend yourself but no one is there to see what happened, if you're the only person left alive, being charged with murder is quite possible. If only guilty people were charged with crimes we wouldn't need courts, juries and judges now would we.

Anonymous said...

Re: "clayton's just a patsy... somebody threw a hatchet from the grassy knoll? "

It is a very simple mind indeed that cannot contemplate more than one possibility when working with incomplete information. If you were in an army led by this guy it would be faster to just borrow his hand gun and off yourself.

Anonymous said...

As those that know him have already pointed out, Clayton is amongst the least likely to attack anyone in anger. I've known Clayton for many, many years, and in all that time I've barely seen him north of mildly angry, and I've *never* witnessed him even remotely violent. Rather, what has stuck in my memory are occasions where he impressed me with cool headed reactions to events that would have really pissed me and most other people off.

No, in my experience, Clayton would not raise a hand against another person unless absolutely necessary.

If the police have good reason to disagree with this, why are they so desperate for more information?

Neo Conservative said...

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here's a thought... it's obvious that many of the folks who have posted here are bleeding from their ears contemplating the possibility that the clayton they knew may have perpetrated a horrendous crime.

or, if he did, how to justify it.

here's a thought...

why is it that the left-o-sphere in general is so horrified by the concept of personal responsibility?

"Imagine that I’m a caveman. Imagine that I’ve chosen to build my house out of balsa wood, and that I’m building it next to a roaring river because I’ve decided it will make harvesting fish that much easier. Then, imagine that my hut is destroyed by a flood."

and why does asking these sorts of questions provoke such a storm of fury?

anyone?

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Anonymous said...

It's not storm of fury - it's a lot of people shaking their heads at your galling incapacity to get your head around more than one possible explanation of a very limited set of facts.

Neo Conservative said...

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"anon insists... again... people shaking their heads at your galling incapacity..."

good grief... just like potus... you'd be lost without you crib notes, wouldn't you?

i'm thinkin' it isn't me that'll only consider a single possibility. what'll you do now, nonny... read it off to me once more?

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Anonymous said...

I've been likened to worse. Better a nonny than a nutty. Funny how you liken an open mind to "left-os" - shows a real paranoia when you're confronted with a more accommodating opinion than your own. For the record I'm a card-carrying Tory (why do you think I poke around here anyway) and I worry about the damage that narrow views like yours can do to the cause. It takes a lot of accommodating of a wide range of views if you are ever going to gather enough support to govern the country. Your cheese has definitely slipped off your cracker. Thankfully there aren't too many out there like you, otherwise we'd be permanently relegated to the lunatic fringe of the political scene.

Anonymous said...

^^^^ Anon

Hey buddy, you might as well save the engery. Debating with NC is like competing in the Special Olympics. Sure, you can win but at the end of the day your still competing against retards.

Obviously Clayton is "Guilty until proven Guilty".

mahmood said...

nonny, clutching his ConPartyCard preaches...

"otherwise we'd be permanently relegated to the lunatic fringe of the political scene."

non, there's no room at the lunatic inn, Jacko has all the rooms booked...likely into perpetuity.

liberal supporter said...

What a hilarious thread. Neo is in fine form, being lectured for being a buffoon, then giving replies that simply provide further evidence.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Neo Conservative said...

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"liberal supporter pronounces... giving replies that simply provide further evidence..."

well... i guess i have to admit... there's no way i'll ever measure up to the compassionate, intellectual wisdom of that venerable spokeschimp of the left-o-sphere... "liberal supporter".

enjoy.

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Anonymous said...

first correct thing I've heard you say

Anonymous said...

Oh,.. brainfart. I must be lefty.

Melinda said...

*chuckle*

Ok.
2 things I say, and 2 only. With gloves off.

Directly after my last post, someone said "The guy is or was a giant fucking asshole so we're reserving the right to poke some fun at his misfortune. This is the internet. Get over it for fuck's sake."

Is or was. He IS or WAS an asshole? Awesome.
You. High and mighty.
Twit.

I am so over that it's the internet, what I'm not over is that CLAYTON is not a fucking fictional character or INTERNET GAME, he's a PERSON and in case you don't GET IT yet, he's been REALLY FUCKING GOOD AND IMPORTANT TO A LOT OF PEOPLE. I don't get people like you. I just don't.
I don't quite fit into the mass-market society of stonethrowers who are looking for any reason to hate. And the more public you can get with the least amount of personal exposure and liability, the better. Why do you need that? Because you're ALLOWED to hate him now, right? It's PERMITTED, socially correct, like hating CANCER, like hating NAZIS, because as far as WE know, this alleged dirtbag is a murderer, albeit allegedly. It is of no consequence that whatever really happened, right now for him life is fucking over. It's GREAT! It's not like HIS world is the REALLY REAL world for YOU, right?

He IS, or at least once WAS, someone you disliked, disagreed with, didn't get along with, you hated his lifestyle, you didn't like how he treated someone, did something, so this is all OKAY that you just TEAR him apart on the fucking internet in pathetic, paltry fashion. I hope you evolve some day.

In this day and age everyone seems to be LOOKING for that socially acceptable reason to hate, you WANT to have someone to hate, because hating's cool. It feels GOOD. People LIKE to read about your GREAT REASONS to hate something so THEY can hate it and have that... what? Satisfaction? Release?

When people got stoned to death, innocent or guilty, witch or virgin, EVERYONE piled on & smiled & yelled & pelted that person with stones. If they stoned someone who wasn't considered publicly condemned, THEY'D be stoned. But stoning the condemned person... you could really get INTO that because it wasn't you. It's not likely to happen to you. It's them. Good.
Heave ho.
This is the same thing, but with less direct violence. Which makes you a pussy in my books, hiding behind 'anonymous' and calling a guy pathetic because he had some funny nicknames and his suffering is something you can take pleasure in.

And that was the first thing.

K. The other thing I was just gonna say quickly is what's up with all this hatchet talk? There was a hatchet at the scene and...? I haven't seen anything that states there was BLOOD on the hatchet. Some reporter wrote the words "possibly caused by a hatchet found at the scene", but I've been all over the police statements, they never said anything about a hatchet. Where did THAT information came from?
When a weapon is used to cause blunt trauma under attack, autopsy nearly always refers to the damage as "blunt force trauma". This is "blunt impact injury", which reads more of a smack off the floor, wall or table-surface. Don't believe me? Look it up.

In conclusion, this whole thing sucks for anyone who DOESN'T hate Clayton, which is a fuckload of a lot of people. And also for CLAYTON who is a PERSON that a LOT of people care about.
You don't get a lot of people caring about you a lot by being a person worthy of stoning. Or being attacked by pussy anonymous jerkfaces.

*deep breath*

Anonymous said...

How do you get to see the police statements ?

suomynonA said...

Awww, poor Neo. He can't help it! He can only see that days events through the lens of his neo-con talking points. The poop du jour? "Personal Responsibility." LOL. Keep trying...


And, Melinda, you go girl. Why are these cretins so filled with hate, rage and schadenfreude for others? They see the world in a shorthand of cartoon outlines and tired slogans. They can't see the people...

suomynonA said...

"Anonymous said...
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How do you get to see the police statements ?"
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http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/newsreleases/

and

http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/media/audio/

Anonymous said...

o - my apologies - i have that - i thought you meant statements of individual officers

Neo Conservative said...

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paging melinda & company... let's talk actual self-defense.

and, please note that clayton will... just like these guys... get to tell his side of the story.

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Anonymous said...

Melinda. Go fuck yourself, you stupid cunt. Like I said, it's the internet. If you're offended, don't read it. Or go get your uterus removed so you can't reproduce and there are not others of your ilk roaming the streets getting offended about every little thing that they don't like in the world.

PS - FUCK YOU.

Neo Conservative said...

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"nonny screams... PS - FUCK YOU."

you know, you don't have to be roomies with a guy who looks like an extra from 'drag me to hell' to get in a shitload of trouble.

for instance... you run around freakin' out on people like this... sooner or later someone's gonna pull out a hatchet and... well, you know.

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Melinda said...

'Nyaaah nyaaaah, you're a cunt, you're a bitch, you're stupid, nyaah'... All you can come up with in retort is to call me names?

Maybe you shouldn't post in forums like this one if you're gonna go getting offended about every little opinion that you don't like in the world. I don't give a rat's ass what you think of my feelings, you big pussy.

All your response tells me is that if you went to jail under similar circumstances, no one would fight for you we are for Clay.
And possibly that you're five and just discovered Big People Words like Ilk and Uterus.

Don't go fuck yourself, Anonymous.

I'm sure the world has plenty of fucking in store for you in the future. Good luck out there.

Anonymous said...

lol - PS FUCK YOU.

Man, the bitterness. You would think Clay banged your girlfriend. I get the impression you're exactly the kind of guy to smack someone on the head with a hatchet and since you know Clayton from his"raving" scene it's safe to assume your a jackass.

Anonymous said...

To Whomever launched that abusive hostile attack on Melinda:

A natural reaction would be for someone to say you need help, but you don't. They might say there's something wrong with you - and there isn't - at least not in the sense that you can be helped or anything can be corrected. It's about what you're missing - and you known it for a long time. Call it a heart, or a soul, whatever, it's whatever it is that makes a person a HUMAN being. I can hear you now saying what a load of sensitive bull shit this is. But on the basis of your postings, I can tell a few things about you and what life holds for you:

- you lack the ability to form meaningful and enduring intimate relationships with others. You will never have a lasting mutually satisfying relationship with anyone

- inside you are depressed and angry. Sure you get your laughs and you enjoy a good party - but that inner feeling of sadness and anger never really goes away

- you have a strong feeling deep inside you that you are worthless - not worthy of anyone's love - it's a voice inside you that's always been there. And guess what - that voice is right - you have all the socially redeeming value of green scum on a pond.

But - hey - this is the Internet buddy - I can say whatever I want

Anonymous said...

I went to school with John Suk and he was a very nice and caring person. It's obvious that no one knew him on this blog and therefore can not comment on John's personality. He was a good guy too!!!

buuunny said...

I am in complete shock. I know Clayton's addiction was out of control but I never would have thought, (after knowing him for several years, and being involved with him romantically for a year) that he would be capable of taking a life, be it self defense or cold-blooded murder. I cannot consolidate the two drastically different images in my head - Clayton Hill, friend lover and recovering addict vs. murderer.

buuunny said...

I am in complete shock. I know Clayton's addiction was out of control but I never would have thought, (after knowing him for several years, and being involved with him romantically for a year) that he would be capable of taking a life, be it self defense or cold-blooded murder. I cannot consolidate the two drastically different images in my head - Clayton Hill, friend lover and recovering addict vs. murderer.

NuckFuts said...

I can see clayton pulled the wool over many people's eyes.

just because someone is charismatic doesn't mean they're a good person.
sure, clayton is a likeable guy, but so was ted bundy (not that I'm comparing their offences). just because someone has friends doesn't mean they're not capable of murder.

clayton is a piece of shit. he was a piece of shit before he murdered this guy, and he'll still be a piece of shit when he gets out of prison.

to the person who called mr suk "sketchy", the same thing could be said about mr. hill.
I don't know about you, but I consider any heroin addict to be "sketchy". maybe mr. suk stole all of clayton's heroin...I could see clayton killing someone over that, or any heroin addict for that matter.

and buuuunny, where did you get the "recovering" part from? clayton sure as hell wasn't recovering last time I saw him.

Anonymous said...

I also went to school with John Suk, he was always a very nice, happy person, friends with everyone and every group, never had a violent nature whatsover, no one deserves to die by being bludgeoned to death with a hatchet.... Stop people and leave it alone for now and have some respect for the family that is grieving and in pain.

Anonymous said...

All you people who are defending Clayton Hill with the self defense angle are seriously misinformed!He struck Mr. Suk many times and I hope he rots in hell for it!!!! Have some respect for the family and friends of John Suk and shut the fuck up!!!!!

Melinda said...

No one on this board who is a friend of Clayton's is disrespecting Mr. Suk. Some people who are commenting on the situation have speculated about him, but by and large everyone has agreed that his death is a tragedy, and there have been expressions of sympathy.
The disparaging commentary on Clayton, however, continues.

I do not think you were there.
I STILL have seen no official report about a hatchet being used. And I think everyone would appreciate the concept of EVERYONE shutting the fuck up until the FACTS are out.

Smear campaigns are childish.
The only reason anyone here is being defended is because they were under attack while the facts are unknown. Which is unfair and stupid.

To the person who said Clayton struck Mr. Suk several times, etc.. were you there?
(an honest question, not a sarcastic one, were you on the scene or know something we don't? Or are you just making more sensationalistic commentary based on what you've read and your clear dislike of Clayton?)

Anonymous said...

It never ceases to amaze me how the internet can dehumanize a sensitive subject like this. Let's not lose sight of the fact that two families lives are in tatters. One has lost a family member forever and another is possibly losing one for a long time (albeit one they'll be able to visit). I don't know and have never heard of Mr. Clayton until this happened and won't pass judgement on him until all of the evidence is brought to light. I did know John many years ago and he was a funny, warm, caring guy that would give you the shirt off his back. From what I've seen and read recently, he appeared to have fallen on hard times. It was very sad for me to read and I thought "geez, if it could happen to John, this could happen to anybody". The old adage "walk a mile in another man's shoes" came to mind. As was written in the press, John was estranged from his family for many years. What wasn't written was that they were soon to be re-united in a couple of weeks. Imagine being the family that just had that taken away from them forever. They say that for a parent, there is nothing more horrible or painful than to outlive their children. Imagine what John's mother and sister's must be going through and imagine it being one of your own this has happened to. I guess this is my long winded way of asking that before referring to John in a derogatory fashion, no matter what he may have done in the past or what you may think of him, he has paid the ultimate price and just have a little respect for his family whom I know are reading this.

KT

Anonymous said...

This situation is sad for both sides. John was someone's son, brother and friend. He died a tragic and senseless death at the hands of Clayton Hill. Nothwithstanding his lifestyle, he had survived and had hope and promise reconnecting with his family, a reality that was to take place this week, in fact. Who knows, that may have been the connection that would have taken him out of this lifestyle. Instead he died at the brutal hands of Clayton Hill. How or why it happened will only be truly known between these two men. John has been silenced forever and cannot answer these questions. John was a gentle soul that did not deserve to leave this world in this way, no matter if his choices may have taken him down this path. He was still loved and thought of by so many. This was evident at his funeral where old friends came out to say goodbye and pay their respects to him and his family. He will be sadly missed by many.

Anonymous said...

Wow, pretty incredible to read through all this! John Suk was a good man. Who are we to pass judgement, he who cast the first stone. We going through life and we all experience differet times som of usare fortunate to come through these times, other are not. Why are we all on here calling names,passing judgement, you are should be ashamed of yourselves. Their is a family & friends grieving!! where isthe compassion?? My heart goesoutto the SUK family.May we remember all the great times abd memories JOHN gave us!!

Anonymous said...

I am puzzled by the fact that bail has not been mentioned in any of the media coverage. Does anyone know anything about this ? i.e. did Clayton seek bail and it was denied, or was bail set so high he couldn't come up with the money ?

Anonymous said...

A man can build 1000 bridges and kill one person that person is not remembered as a bridge builder he is remembered as a Murderer

Anonymous said...

Ok Stop!!! Everyone DOES Know what happened! A man DIED THATS what happened! Damn you people are dumb at times ! Two men lost there lives one who was a true friend in the day and his name was John Suk! The other i never knew but in the day im sure he was the same! A true friend as was John and they both somehow got lost in thier world of drugs! Who is to blame here??? Its you and i who allowed this to happen and contiue to turn a blind eye! They were both victims! As for family and friends of Clayton remember that John was as lost as Clayton! John was a person that had family and friends that loved him as did Clayton! Claytons family and friends must understand that you can still say HAPPY BIRTHDAY, Merry Chritmas, How are you,Do you need anything? All WE got out of this is to say good-bye to a dear friend who lost his way!!!!!! Remember Johon was a very loving ,funny careing person! I only wish you had all met him before he lost his way!!!! We both lost someone lets let them try and find peace! Andrew Richards

Anonymous said...

Wow!! Reading all these bashing comment's on here is so disrespectfull I'm disgusted!! If "some people" have nothing Nice to say? Maybe they should shut the Hell Up!!
I have known John Suk for a very long time! I remember His Smile & his laugh greeted everyone he knew!! John was an Awesome person!! Kind, caring, alway's laughing!! As someone said, "he would give u the shirt off his back" He would!! John was & will alway's remain a Great friend in my hear & soul forever! My thought's are w the Suk family Alway's!! It was so HARD to watch John's Beautiful Mother & 2 Beautiful sister's & the rest of his family who are morning for their Son & Brother!! G-D Bless The Suk Family!! I was devistaed to hear such a Horrible thing happen to such a Good Man!!
There was a comment made on here about "John committing suside w a hatchet" Whoever wrote thaT.....NEED'S A SWIFT KICK IN THE DEAD!! No Matter what John has been through in his life?? He would NEVER DO THAT!! The Police even said "a hatchet was found on the seen of the murder" I'm sure finger prints will be taken! Wonder if this "claton's" finger prints are on it?? Possibly?? Only time will tell....I just want to say 1 more thing here....If "clayton" did this?? I don't know? But...If he did?? I HOPE HE SPEND'S THE REST OF HIS ROTTEN LIFE IN PRISON!! Clayton took the life of Mr. John Suk!! He deserves to ROT IN HELL IN PRISON!! When U take a Good Man's Life (or any life) U NEED to pay for it!!
To The Suk Family, I hope U all get the justise & peace U deserve!!
Ur in my Heart & Soul Forever!!
John, I Miss U & I will NEVER forget our Good Time's we've shared together!! RIP John!! <3<3

Neo Conservative said...

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"anon screams... If "some people" have nothing Nice to say? Maybe they should shut the Hell Up!!"

now, there's the real legacy of living in dalton mcguinty's fuzzy-bunny socialist paradise... be nice... regardless of what happens.

yeah... you hipsters are right out there on the cutting edge.

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Anonymous said...

Have yet to see a photo of Clayton Hill.

cindy said...

I am sorry to read the comments that have been made. John Suk was a human being, that alone is enough reason. He didn't deserve to have his life taken by another, no matter what lifestyle he may have been forced to live, drugs can have a very strong hold, I can guarantee neither John nor Mr Hill chose to be in that apartment, at that time, that day. I am devastated that an old friend of mine endured such a tragic end to his life. Mr Hill at the very least still has the opportunity to come to a better place in his life. YOU WILL BE MISSED JOHN, BY MANY. I give my strength to Johns family. I will remember John as the guy that always wore a smile on his face, always had something funny to say to make you laugh. That is the John Suk that I knew.

Neo Conservative said...

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"cindy says... I can guarantee neither John nor Mr Hill "chose" to be in that apartment, at that time, that day."

yup... there's just no such thing as personal responsibility any more, is there?

sorry cindy, it just won't wash.

lemme put this as simply as i can... while you "CAN'T CHOOSE" not to have cancer... you most definitely "CAN CHOOSE" not to be in a sleazy crashpad slammin' poison into your veins.

and, under just about any circumstances i can imagine... you absolutely get to decide whether or not to beat the life out of another human being.

even living in your rainbow-lit casey & finnegan world... you get that, right?

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Anonymous said...

"There was a comment made on here about "John committing suside w a hatchet" Whoever wrote thaT.....NEED'S A SWIFT KICK IN THE DEAD!!"

apparently someone does not understand sarcasm. this was in response to someone implying that Clayton didn't kill him.

Anonymous said...

john was a good man, with a good demeanor and with tons of friends...it is a tragedy that he chose to follow the wrong path of drugs , as many good, moral men do.
it it a tragedy that he met his demise at the hands of another human being...nobody has the right to take another life, regardless of the circumstances...the only exception i agree with is A) war and B) capital punishment...and since this was neither mr hill deserves B....i would personally come watch him fry like bacon.

neo con and liberal take that to your mp as there seems to be no accountability in this country anymore...you rarely hear of things like this in places like saudi arabia.....and a theif can be seen from afar as his hands may be missing

rest in peace john
your friends will always remember

Anonymous said...

"A) war and B) capital punishment."

"War" - A acceptable motive for murder? Only a complete ignorant ass-wipe (that being you), would make such a asinine comment. Let us know when you sign up or pack your bags for the land of Saud...

Anonymous said...

never said acceptable for murder you dumb fuck...for taking another human beings life...big difference, so many have sacrificed their lives so you can enjoy your freedom, and spew your bullcrap rants on here...some people dont deserve freedom...like your pal mr hall

Anonymous said...

John was a real person who was violently stolen from many people who are still reeling in pain.
He had family, and many friends who loved and cared about him. Deepest condolences are sent to his family and friends, for the loss of someone they loved very much.

Anonymous said...

Re: "apparently someone does not understand sarcasm"

That's actually likely correct. I believe the person who took exception at your remark was likely Asian - where sarcasm generally doesn't exist as type of humour. Sarcastic humour is distinctly European in nature, so there's a bit of a cultural divide in how some of this is being understood.

Anonymous said...

I'm a friend of Clayton and have been catatonic and miserable ever since I learned of this on Monday last week. When am I going to wake up ? Like the rest of you I don't know what happened in that room that day. I saw John Suk as someone that no one would miss, a man estranged from his family (which is true of many troubled people) who seemed to have few if any friends. He had committed petty crimes and didn't even use his real name apparently. And the picture - did you see that ? I wonder what Clayton would look like right now ? It seemed in a way to me as if this John Suk person was blameworthy for getting my friend into so much trouble.

Well John Suk was a human being and he most certainly is dead. It's very important that his friends now come forward to speak of his qualities that made him human, and that show that yes - in fact there are people out there who are going to miss him. I think it's important that those of us who think of, or thought of, Clayton as our friend, and who just can't seem to integrate what we've learned in the past 10 or so days, that we listen to those people who would remind us of what has been lost with John Suk's death.

Like everyone else, I am so hungry to know more. None of this makes much sense to me. And I extend my deepest sympathy to all those people hurt at the passing of John Suk. May God cause his love and comfort to shine on you and everyone who feels pain because of this.

Neo Conservative said...

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"anon says... It seemed in a way to me as if this John Suk person was blameworthy for getting my friend into so much trouble."

by being murdered?

seriously?

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Anonymous said...

Yes. I can imagine that in your simple mind having only one way to look at anything, that kind of view of the world from more than a single vantage point would elude you. Why don't you go see Avatar 3D and leave the 3D glasses behind to get a bit of a sense of your disconnect from the world.

Neo Conservative said...

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ah, nonny... don't get excited... you had me at "i've been catatonic and miserable ".

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Anonymous said...

Well Neocon the thing of course is that as creator of the forum you get to be a petty little god hosting a conversation about a topic to which everyone other than you has some form of emotional connection, so why not jump in whenever you feel like it and offer some ridicule.

You remind me of an old buddy I used to have who was a postie living in his mother's basement back in the 80s. He went and bought an Atari when they were really cool and spent every waking non working hour practicing games with 1024 pixels so he could invite his buddies over and kick their asses. Fed his need to feel superior in some way - as I said - he was a postie living in his mother's basement. What are you ? I'll bet you're having your buddies over this weekend to help you change the tires on your house while your wife nags at you to get your transmission out of the bathtub.

Neo Conservative said...

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"anon wails... you get to be a petty little god"

ooh... sounds like somebody's getting over their catatonia.

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Anonymous said...

That's really all you have to say ? Pretty flacid response Neocon, leaves me rather unsatisfied. I'll bet you're used to causing that kind of disappointment. No wonder the image of an inclined gun barrel resonates with you.

Neo Conservative said...

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"anony-ho whispers... Pretty flacid response Neocon, leaves me rather unsatisfied. I'll bet you're used to causing that kind of disappointment."

whoa, nonny... what's the deal here... you're too cheap to pay for actual phone sex?

sorry, dude... you really wanna sit at your sticky keyboard & talk boners... you're gonna have to take it somewhere else.

it's just a little too creepy for me.

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Pedro said...

I met John 27 years ago and hung out with him for a number of years...he didn't have a violent bone in his body. He was always smiling and had an infectious unforgettable laugh.

John could have easily have been successful in sales or entrepreneurship...he had a magnetic way with people and was always thinking of ways to make a buck.

John was always willing to help people and way back when he even took a buddy who was living on the street in. To this day this buddy credits John with having helped him get on the right track and straighten his life out.

For whatever reason John did end up going down a path "on the downtown streets". I spent a night on those streets with John to let him know that if he wanted to change his path that there were people who were willing to help...me being one. Unfortunately that call never came.

John had been in this "lifestyle" for sometime and when I "visited" and experienced his lifestyle for an entire night, until the wee hours of the morning...hanging out with the people he associated with downtown...he still did not have a violent bone in his body.

I, like everyone else, was in shock when I learnt of the tragic news of his passing at the hand of another.

My Heart, still aches and will remain to do so into the unforeseeable future...as do the Hearts of the many, many, many people who have expressed their profound grief over John's untimely transition.

It is especially saddening because John's estranged family had finally made contact with him and were planning to meet just as this tragedy took place. Maybe that meeting would have been just what John needed to get things together. We will now never know.

Only Mr. Hill can now share what happened that afternoon...he didn't flee, which would lead one to believe that he was remorseful for what happened (assuming he did it).

That said, nobody deserves to experience what John did...even in the case of self-defense (which I find hard to believe) I doubt that one would have to go to the extreme of inflicting a fatal blunt force trauma to the cranium.

Nonetheless, as difficult as it is, personal forgiveness is the most evolved mindset...not to say that justice should not be served through the court system.

Hate begets hate...hate will not bring John back.

Once again, my sincere and profound condolences go out to the loving Suk family who have been deeply hurt by this tragic event...as have many others.

Love & Blessings.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know about next steps or timing ? Next court dates ? Disclosure ? I think everyone wants to know more. I google this item every day hoping to get some knew information that will help me understand what happened here.

Melinda said...

Love & Blessings... that was a an eloquent expression, profoundly written and insightful.

Thank you for that. I am so very sorry for yours, and everyone's loss.

Nonny, the next hearing is February 11th.

Andy said...

Yes, Love & Blessings...I Didn't meet John Suk but my husband Pedro was his friend for long time ago...I never before have seen something like I saw when John passed away...hundreds of people wroted their condolences whom remembered John for his teenagerhood, higschool...20 or 30 years later...I am not sure if I die... hundreds of people will remember me...That's amazing...everybody have a nice experience or something good to share about John Suk...I believe something very unfortunate happened that day...

What happened?...only John and Clayton know.

Now John is in a peacefull place...and Clay has to pass for the consecuences of his reaction, whatever was the reason, thereis not excuse for to take the life of a human being....period.

My condolences for the Suk family.

Love & Blessings for all.

Vinny said...

The 11Th is something the papers wrote. NOT accurate. Probably wont be for many weeks. Bullshit papers cant even get the name of the street right.

Neo Conservative said...

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toronto gets its weekly homicide... and yes... we're not completely immune out here in the sticks...

"In local news... the body of a missing Belleville area woman has apparently been found. The local radio station is being extremely coy about this one... saying that the story, if confirmed, will rock the Quinte region."

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Neo Conservative said...

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update... for all the "but clayton was such a nice guy" apologists... so, apparently, was this gentleman...

" -- TWEED -- Provincial police crime scene investigators here are combing through the home of CFB Trenton Base Commander Russ Williams in connection with the death and disappearance of Jessica Lloyd.

Williams has been base commander at CFB Trenton since July, 2009, and previously flew VIP Challenger aircraft for such dignitaries as Canadian prime ministers and royalty, while stationed in Ottawa."


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Non-Anonymous said...

Good for you Neo! Hopefully you have proved your point that Clayton could be a nice person and can fly off the deep and murder someone. Nobody is denying that he didn't do it, but most of the people who knew him are shocked that he would do such a thing. Looking back at your posts proves that you are a douchbag troll that thinks he has all the right answers.

PJ

Neo Conservative said...

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"another anonymous troll shrieks... you are a douchbag troll"

of course... because you say so.

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Anonymous said...

Blogger Neo Conservative said...

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"another anonymous troll shrieks... you are a douchbag troll"

of course... because you say so.



Dude, I get the impression everyone thinks your a douchebag. Need proof?

Just read your mindless dribble, douchebag.

Grimballs.

Neo Conservative said...

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"another anonymous troll says... Just read your mindless dribble"

uh, nonny... i'm guessin' you meant to say drivel, right?

cheer up, though... this time you actually to spell douchebag right.

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Anonymous said...

Same thing, welcome to 2010.

Anonymous said...

Haven't checked into this blog in a few days. I can see it's getting pretty stupid and dull now.

Anonymous said...

"out in the sticks"? You don't even live in Toronto? I didn't know either of these guys, but I know people who knew both of them, so I've been following this a bit.
I have no opinion of either of these men, but my opinion of neo conservative is, wow, your fucked up. How many papers and news sites do you scour looking for pedistals to stand on. Every one of your responses I have read, regardless of the amount of logic and context they may or may not contain, gives the mental image of someone who spends alot of time in front of a computer pulling his hair out, raging about people you've never met. Even if you are right, stop nit picking every little thing you can. This is clearly an emotional subject for a lot of people. You are helping no one but yourself.
Whats done is done, you won't know the verdict because you won't be interested anymore. Stop using tragedy as a platform for your mis placed feelings of superiority

Anonymous said...

And but the way, flying dignitaries around is not at all the same as bieng a nice guy. Not at all. Completly different things. Wow.

Neo Conservative said...

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"nonny bleats... wow, your(sic) fucked up. How many papers and news sites do you scour looking for pedistals(sic) to stand on."

sounds like a lot of "dribble", my friend.

ps - maybe before you attempt to psychoanalyse anybody again, you should polish up your spelliing & punctuation, huh?

the devil, my friend, is in the details.

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Anonymous said...

The devil indeed is in the details but it doesn't change the fact NeoCon buddy that you can't seem to step back and grasp anything like a larger picture. OK - so the guy doesn't spell perfectly. His point - indeed his sickoanalysis - (o - sorry - did I misspell that ?) - is largely correct. Seriously - do you jerk off while contemplating the emotional distress of others ?

O - and BTW - since you're always ranting about "nonnys" - I'm the guy who flagged your "flacid response" - so get in good form before you type - see if you can pen more than 20 words - and give me something to get excited about - and I don't mean something silk or lacey.

Neo Conservative said...

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"nonny raspily whispers... do you jerk off while contemplating the emotional distress of others?"

nope.

i am curious though... what is it with the lunatic left and its unswerving focus on other people's genitals?

are you guys all too cheap to pay for actual phone sex?

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Anonymous said...

uh oh mr red neck took his milk and cookies and went to bed

Anonymous said...

Re "are you guys all too cheap to pay for actual phone sex?"

How much do you pay to jerk off as the petty god on murder blog ?

Anonymous said...

Dribble? Spelling and punctuation? Thats the best you can do? "Radical" left? Any actual ideas? Real thoughts with real context? Not neccesary, 'cause a spelling mistake or grammatical error completly negates an opinion. Your thoughts are only valid if you use spell check? Could you actually refute the things I said, regardless of whether or not it's spelled right. Or are you an Ivory League snob more interested in grammar than ideas.

Anonymous said...

Ivory League ? That's rich - like that fascist really has an education.

Christopher Park said...

What the heck is going on on this blog. The dicussion of the MURDER that took place has taken a back seat to name calling? Very constructive and mature on all of your parts, I must say.

Anonymous said...

We have an update:

http://www.thestar.com/iphone/news/gta/article/775185--police-bust-two-drug-operations

Anonymous said...

Such a hot topic then nothing.. Be interesting to read more on this.

Neo Conservative said...

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looks like ol' clayton gets to add "heroin dealer" to his resume as well...

"Project Fourth Down, a street-level heroin sweep, began in November when undercover drug officers made several buys in west end Toronto’s 14th division area and the downtown core. On Wednesday police hit seven homes arresting six people. A quantity of heroin and marijuana was seized along with $7,100 in cash. One suspect is still being sought."

"Among those charged, Clayton Hill, 35, was in custody on a count of second-degree murder of John Suk, 43, also known as 'Chin'.”

yup... turning his life around... in a john delorean sorta way.

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Anonymous said...

?? Clayton is going to start making cars ?

Anonymous said...

Any newer information?

Neo Conservative said...

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"anon asks... Any newer information?"

i'm sure all of clayton's many defenders & friends here have been visiting the crowbar motel regularly to offer him their unwavering support.

perhaps they can bring us up to speed.

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Anonymous said...

No doubt the newest charges have complicated the issue.

This is a sad story which has clearly touched quite a few people close to Clayton and John.

Anyone who knew Clayton is aware of the bad road he has been following for years and this should not come as a surprise.

I'm sorry to see a man who was once so bright act in such a stupid way-- and I'm sorry for the friends of the victim and those who still love Clayton despite his obvious character flaws.

Neo Conservative, I also wish you were a better representative of conservatives. Your language shows less the pragmatism conservative thought embodies and more the depraved indifference that your opponents believe you represent.

Neo Conservative said...

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"another anonymous troll screeches... the depraved indifference"

of course, nonny... because you say so.

my thought crimes (aka free speech) are so much more worthy of your condemnation than clayton hill "acting in such a stupid way" and, you know... beating a man to death with a heavy blunt object.

so poor clayton "made a boo-boo", huh?

do you freaks ever listen to yourselves?

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Anonymous said...

Neo Con, your not friend, nor acquaintance of either party but you spend a shit load of time following this case. I would assume to an outsider it would seem pretty mundane...obviously you have no life, aside from this shitty, mindless blog.

And to answer the question above, the latest charges have been dropped.

Neo Conservative said...

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"another anonymous troll screeches... you spend a shit load of time following this case"

hmmm, lemme see... i posted this back in january and my involvement in the last 6 months has consisted only of responding to commenters... such as yourself.

you're concerned about obsession... maybe you should ask yourself why you're bearing down on this... six months after the fact.

ps - have you seen clayton recently? or are you just looking to call me silly names?

'cos, to be honest... you don't seem to be bringing your a-game.

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Anonymous said...

You know, Neo Con, you're as anonymous as the rest of us. I'm pretty sure there's no detail about your actual name, profession anywhere in your blog.

Don't you have the strength of your own convictions or are you simply a hypocrite like so many other so-called conservatives?

Neo Conservative said...

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"another anonymous troll says... you're as anonymous as the rest of us"

sigh... well, troll-boy... we've had this conversation dozens of times before, haven't we?

but you keep on coming back... under your various personalities... bleating about it.

so do i really need to explain, once again, the difference between pseudonymous & anonymous?

i have been here, every day, for over three years. you have my email & these comments. you know exactly where to find me... and you do... DAILY.

so tell me, where exactly do i find your cowardly, dishonest little know-nothing ass in the millions of other vexatious, ANONYMOUS trolls?

oh yeah... that'd be nowhere.

you get that, right?

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Anonymous said...

People,

I don't think Neo Con realizes that many of the anon post are by different people posting with anon.

He has a troll which he has assumed is all of us. I check this part of the blog every few weeks for info on Clay but FUCK,.. who would waste their time being a troll on this blog?

Neo Conservative said...

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"another anonymous troll ponders... who would waste their time being a troll on this blog?"

asked... and answered... you irony deprived dumbstick.

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Anonymous said...

The irony here is that OP is as anonymous as those he reviles.

Typical conservative hypocrisy.

Anonymous said...

What I find funny is everybody on here was bitching and getting pissed at Neo and calling him a troll. I wonder how many people realized this is NEO's blog!

Gotta love it!

Neo Conservative said...

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"another anonymous troll asks... who would waste their time being a troll on this blog?"

well, nonny... funny you should ask.

meanwhile, back on topic... anybody gone down to visit ol' clay lately?

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Anonymous said...

I've known chin for many years and he is no angel but he was a good guy. I saw him a week before he was killed and he was with this hill guy. I can tell you they were both cracked out. Mr. Hill looked to me like a cracked out junkie that would kill for his next fix. To you people that would defend this guy. this guy that bashed another mans head in with a hatchet over crack... you are some messed up people. period

Anonymous said...

I saw Hill, he was (is) a low life never washes, lives in a crack shack with card board for curtains and no furniture. A liar, a crackhead junkie, that would rob a Grannie for a twenty dollar hit. and oh ya a piece of shit that would smash a man in the head with a hatchet until his brains spilled out. People maybe once upon a time mr Hill was a ok guy, but for a long time he has been nothing but a big loser piece of shit.

Anonymous said...

did someone say the heroin charges (or any other charges ?) against Clayton were dropped ?

Anonymous said...

So what ever happened with this? Is it stuck in the backlog of trials?

Neo Conservative said...

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well... i'm sure one of clayton's close friends, who have, no doubt, been visiting him regularly... can bring us up to speed.

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