Of course, it's sad...
When anyone dies...but enough already...
"A big, gentle man who saw his main social connection and closest friend as his mother. The last two years, he had been unemployed, collecting state benefits."Gentle, my ass.
And don't give me any argle-bargle about police death squads.
Maybe if you don't go apeshit in a public venue and start throwing furniture around... you won't have a run-in with the police in the first place.Oh yeah... if it's not asking too much... maybe the media and the loony left could save a little grief for actual Canadian citizens, who made the ultimate sacrifice in the service of their country.
-- KANDAHAR, Afghanistan -- The Canadian death toll in Afghanistan has risen by two.**********
Corp. Nicolas Raymond Beauchamp of the 5th Field Ambulance in Valcartier and Pte. Michel Levesque of the Royal 22nd died early this morning.
FROM THE COMMENTS:
"Saw the whole video yesterday for the first time and couldn't understand what all the fuss was about, the guy (Robert Dziekanski) was freaking out throwing furniture around."**********
"Did he deserve to die? No, but he deserved to be restrained and that's exactly what the police did."
And...
"How on God's green earth does his 71 year old mother, with a whole 11 years in Canada, get to sponsor him as an immigrant at all, let alone a refugee?
If she has the financial resource, certainly let her sponsor him as a regular immigrant, and guarantee that her son will not immediately be a burden on the welfare state."
LAST WORD: A note from Taser International
"Cardiac arrest caused by electrical current is immediate. The video of the incident at the Vancouver airport indicates that the subject was continuing to fight well after the TASER application."
"This continuing struggle could not be possible if the subject died as a result of the TASER device electrical current causing cardiac arrest."
Technorati Tags: Nicolas Raymond Beauchamp, Michel Levesque, suckass political correctness
24 comments:
I agree Neo, I seen the whole video yesterday for the first time and couldn't understand what all the fuss was about, the guy was freaking out throwing furniture around. Did he deserve to die? No but he deserved to be restrained and that's exactly what the police did. The guy may have also had some medical condition that didn't help his cause either. Hat tip to you for pointing out we should be grieving the deaths of our fallen soldiers and not some nutbar.
GrantK1
Yeah,the cops had no choice but to restrain the man,,BUT,why did 4 cops &YVR Security guys stand around &watch this man die when they should have been busting their collective asses giving him CPR.That in my mind is the real crime in this case.
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the national post is getting in on the feeding frenzy.
they're publishing a eulogy by someone who never even met this guy.
no eulogy for the 2 dead canadian soldiers i see.
wake up people... you're being manipulated.
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As usual, nothing but respect and class over here.
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"anon whines... As usual, nothing but..."
whoa... way to lay out an unassailable argument, plato.
wanna freak out a leftbot, folks?
all you have to do is call a thing by it's actual name.
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Neo
Anony bullshit aside. On this one I must disagree.
The four officers who responded to this call appear unprofessional and lazy.
Minimal effort at affecting the man's behavior through body language (somewheres around 57% of communications).
No immediate attempt at CPR. No visual sense of immediacy.
Cops have tough jobs and as such are provided with the tools they need to do them. That is a right as well as a grave responsibility.
From what I've seem they collectively and individually abdicated their responsibilities.
Syncro
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syncro... i guess we'll just have to disagree.
the subtext here, what nobody wants to say, is there was something wrong with this guy.
he wanders around an airport waiting area for 10 hours... then finally flips out... enough to scare away the rent-a-cops... and when the real troops arrive doesn't immediately put his hands up.
if he was "special with an r", let's just put that on the table... cos if he wasn't, it sure sounds like an ab-psych deal to me.
nobody was bent on harming him... the cops were just doing their jobs... and i'm guessin' when this guy stopped breathing, they were as freaked out as the next person.
and guess what... in the age of hiv/aids... nobody puts lips on someone to resusitate them... you wait for medics with a breathing bag.
and incidentally, you'll notice all the do-gooders weren't in there calmin' him down either... they were "filming the freak", so they could get their 15 minutes of youtube fame.
enough sanctimonious horseshit... please.
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Neo
Every roughneck I ever had on my rig knew CPR. And the spittle factor didn't matter.
Symcro
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"syncro says... Every roughneck I ever had on my rig knew CPR. And the spittle factor didn't matter"
well, hey... i guess you fellas are made of sterner stuff than the rest of us mere mortals.
i'll hazard a guess, though... that your average street cop, and i daresay, average citizen, ain't lockin' lips with your average stiff these days... for love, nor money.
i can hear the cry of the angry roughneck, "it's slobberin' time" ;>)
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"A big, gentle man who saw his main social connection and closest friend as his mother. The last two years, he had been unemployed, collecting state benefits."
neo is the only one touching on the real story here.
This fellow was in fact special with an 'r', and the crux of the matter to me is, how on God's green earth does his 71 year old mother, with a whole 11 years in Canada, get to sponsor him as an immigrant at all, let alone a refugee?
If she has the financial resource, certainly let her sponsor him as a regular immigrant, and guarantee that her son will not immediately be a burden on the welfare state.
This terrible event points to serious problems within the immigration system, with particular reference to the whole refugee racket.
I recommend the mother to fire her current lawyers, and seek out the team that helped one Arar to scam the taxpayers for 10 million plus dollars.
That is my humble opinion, so let the stone-throwing begin.
Cheers!
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Robert Dziekanski may not be the only person with a cognitive disorder. Raphael Alexander wants to know... "Why Are The RCMP Taser Cops Still Working?"
yeah... let's just dump that pesky "presumption of innocence" deal for dirty, filthy cops.
why should they get the same judicial rights as paul bernardo and clifford olsen, huh?
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Neo
Like you said...I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
I saw four officers who were seemingly trained to serve and protect take a laissez faire attitude toward their responsibilities.
Shame
Syncro
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"sync says... seemingly trained to serve and protect"
sorry... their first duty is to "serve and protect" themselves... so they can go home to their families at shifts end... we've got two dead mounties in the last month who apparently forgot that small point.
you think they should have drawn straws and had one officer duke it out in a fair fight with an obviously disturbed individual?
and despite the unfortunate outcome... rapid, overwhelming force was the ticket here... and i'll go out on a limb here and guess most of the boys on the drilling rig would agree with me.
as i said in my original post, "sadly... the 'gods of statistical anomaly' just called this guy home."
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Neo
Of course those officers have the right to protect themselves.
As I understand the doctrine, the tazer is one step removed from the firearm. They had other options and just appeared to friggin lazy or scared (the hiv and all that) to make a physical effort and I saw no attempt at de-escalating behavior.
Draw straws...hell no...take him down the old fashioned way..I noticed in the video they all had their leather gloves on.
As far as the two officers who were killed in the north. Both alone. No backing. Tragic also. In this case there were four but I did notice the little one was reluctant to even climb over the the guardrail.
Once down they treated his medical state with seeming indifference. As far as the spittle factor goes...any first responder worth his salt has a puffy tube on the bat belt so you don't have to lock lips.
Nothing about this was good in the same respect that those who heard the shots that killed that officer in Fort Smith and didn't respond are despicable. No excuse.
If you want the tittle..then man up. If you work in constant fear...it's time to quit.
Syncro
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"sync says... If you work in constant fear...it's time to quit"
you feel pretty strongly about this one, sync... you been tuned up by the local gendarmes at some point in your life?
this isn't about fear... it's about takin' care of business... and goin' home to wife and kids with all your teeth.
on a good friday night these guys likely get called out to a half-dozen violent, possibly deranged calls.
they don't do it that way because it's fun... they do it that way... because it works.
get violent, get crazy... you're askin' for the darts.
life 101, my friend.
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Neo
Your right....I have been tuned more than once...by the RC's and the thugs.
95% of the time I had it coming. Live and learn. This instance is part of the other 5%.
Shame.
Syncro
Whoa! Taser International sez so!? Well, in that case...
Here's a thought: This particular incident is just the latest in a series that make the RCMP out to be little more than a gang themselves. Do you really suppose that defending them, not to mention condoning the lying etcetera that their superior officers engaged in prior to the release of the tape, is going to do anything to restore public confidence in the force?
The best thing that the force could do is come clean and then get the hell out of the provincial police business. Then they could focus on, you know, what they're supposed to be doing.
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aaron... stop me if you've heard this before, but... the next time somebody punches you in the face, or breaks into your house... instead of calling 911 try giving the john howard society a ding.
i'm sure they'll be very helpful.
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Not sure how that relates to my comment, but oh well.
Incidentally, if someone breaks into my home with the intention of harming my family, I fully expect to have to deal with the threat myself. [I would have thought that someone with a shell casing in their masthead would agree with that sentiment!] I also wonder what kind of allusion one has to be under to think that putting a call in to the police and then sitting around (perhaps having a coffee in the meantime) waiting for them to show up in order to file a report will accomplish anything.
Sounds fair enough. Presumably, if four criminals armed with weapons swarmed an unarmed man and killed him (evein if by "accident"), you would blog about it in strong negative tones and the police would pledge to bring the perps to justice. Yet in this particular case, the opposite is happening.
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"aaron postulates... Presumably, if four criminals armed with weapons swarmed an unarmed man and killed him"
geez, aaron... why not travel all the way into fairytale land... "presumably, if four aliens armed with rayguns kidnapped an unarmed man and probed his..."
that's all you've got?
ps... it's delusion... not allusion, hoss... a word i thought you would be intimately familiar with.
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We seem to exist in different dimensions. Or at the very least are speaking past one another.
Incidentally, I used to volunteer for the John Howard Society. They do alot of good for alot of people that are down and out. I wouldn't expect your brand of conservative to know anything about Christian charity, "neo," but surely you could find a pejorative that doesn't put your ignorance on such prominent display.
Bye bye!
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"aaron says... I used to volunteer for the John Howard Society"
so you take my point... even though it didn't stop you from channeling clint eastwood earlier, regarding burglars at your house.
so which is it... charitable christian... or dirty harry?
as for "finding a pejorative", i suggest you stick with short words and sentences from now on... you'll be less likely to publicly embarrass yourself.
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One question
Why was the guy waiting at the baggage counter for 10 hours???
OK two questions
Why didn't one single airport employee notice this???
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"frank asks... Why was the guy waiting at the baggage counter for 10 hours???"
as i said above, "the subtext here, what nobody wants to say, is there was something wrong with this guy."
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