22 November 2007

Just one more reason...

To yank all taxpayer funding... from the Roman Catholic school system...

Halton's Catholic board has pulled The Golden Compass fantasy book – soon to be a Hollywood blockbuster starring Nicole Kidman – off school library shelves because of a complaint.

"(The complaint) came out of interviews that Philip Pullman had done, where he stated that he is an atheist and that he supports that," said Scott Millard, the board's manager of library services.
So what's the scoop on this blasphemous tome?
The award-winning tome was voted the best children's book in the past 70 years by readers across the globe.
No word yet on dates or locations for the big "book burning" parties... but we'll keep you posted.

Sponsored by the Government of Ontario.

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FROM THE COMMENTS:
"The Golden Compass is a book about the quest to kill GOD."
Which begs the question, "What kind of puny-ass deity are you people worshipping anyway?"

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UPDATE: The Censorship Inquisition widens
Two other Toronto-area Catholic boards of education are studying copies of Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials trilogy after the Halton District Catholic School Board removed the children's books from its library shelves.

Both the Durham and Dufferin-Peel Catholic boards have said they will also review the popular children's fantasy series.
But, it seems, not quite everybody is on board...
In the U.K., the Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams reviewed Pullman's trilogy for the Guardian newspaper in 2004.

Williams praised the books and recommended them to young readers.

"This extraordinary theatrical adventure sets a creative religious agenda in a way hard to parallel in recent literature and performance," he wrote.
Heretic!

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35 comments:

Macadamia The Nut said...

Is is safe to say that boredom does this to people :P

Macadamia The Nut said...

PS: we have similar blog names

Neo Conservative said...

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"Macadamia The Nut said... PS: we have similar blog names"

i love it... garth turner syndrome.

the little misfit kid in the back of the room screaming, "look at me, look at me."

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Anonymous said...

I am really torn on this one - while I think the book banning is stupid, I also know that by every measurable target, the Catholic school system is more successful than the current public system. I would have no problem with one system if I had any faith in that system. I don't. It is a union controlled, left wing ideological system that tolorates only one world view - we are now experiencing the results of that small minded, group think system - we have a country that is declining in values, ethics and compassion. One only has to look at the quality of the people that are being elected; the quality of those we chose to represent us. They are by and large partisan, self-serving hacks with little or no interst in the country. Look at Parliment today - Is there anyone who can seriously argue those people have the best interests of Canadians in mind? Look at Ontario - they wilfully re-elected a lying, thieving priemier. Apparently he represented them better than the other candidates. I'm looking for a better school system and going to one system (the current public system) is not the answer - it is one more step down that slippery slope.

Crazymamma said...

Hmmm,....

The Golden Compass is a book about the quest to kill GOD. Not even a thinly veiled attempt by the author to suduce impressionable children to his way of thinking. How many organizations would allow young children to read books that are hate speech about themselves?

Not to worry about your taxes going to fund the Catholic Board, I'm sure you have already ticked off the box on your taxes that state where you wanrt them to go. Public or Catholic.

sanwin said...

I agree with you on most things but I will need disagree on this one.

The Catholic school system is designed around the Catholic faith. Therefore, it is entirely appropriate that they remove books they find offensive to the faith.

I shall do my part and ensure that not a dollar of my money goes towards the producers of the film.

Neo Conservative said...

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"the aptly self-named crazymamma shrieks... the golden compass is a book about the quest to kill GOD."

funny... no mention of killing god here.

are you sure you read the right book?

you did read it... right?

hey, crazy... help me out ... what sort of religious commitment can be subverted by reading a single children's book?

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Neo Conservative said...

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"sanwin said... The Catholic school system is designed around the Catholic faith. Therefore, it is entirely appropriate that they remove books they find offensive to the faith."

the catholic school system is designed around the catholic faith. therefore, it is entirely appropriate that they put homosexuals to death as per the old testament.

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Hugh MacIntyre said...

I was a good Catholic then I saw the trailer for that movie and realized that God does not exist.

Neo Conservative said...

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"Hugh MacIntyre said... I was a good Catholic then I saw the trailer for that movie..."

luke... use the force...

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Tenebris said...

Neo - you off your meds today?

"no mention of killing god here"
Find a review of the trilogy (if I recall correctly), or read the books yourself. The authors unfolding point is that god is evil and must die.

"what sort of religious commitment can be subverted by reading a single children's book?"

Oh, I dunno. What sort of marriage commitment can be subverted by a single visit to a prostitute?

You usually make a bit more sense...

Neo Conservative said...

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"tenebris says... The authors unfolding point is that god is evil and must die"

tenspot... have you actually read the book?

oh yeah, newsflash... if your spouse is visiting hookers... you don't actually have a marriage... but he, or she, can still, hopefully, read any number of books without turning into a satan worshipper.

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Crazymamma said...

Ahhhhh,...


The Atheist rhetoric, I shrieked nothing. I merely pointed out the premise of the book. God is evil and the quest to kill God.

Your tolerance is such an inspiration to me and my brethren. I can see why we are all to be seduced and cagoled to come out of the dark ages and embrace your deeply unoffensive examples.

Neo Conservative said...

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"crazymama is back... seduced and cagoled... merely pointed out the premise of the book."

no lady, you're wrong... i wouldn't "cagol?" you with somebody else's 10 foot pole.

hey craze... you forgot to answer my question... "are you sure you read the right book?"

you did read it... right?

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Aaron Unruh said...

Ah, I'm getting a better idea of what kind of "conservative" blog this is.

Crazymamma said...

Nice to know one can have a dissenting opinion with out the author resorting to insults and uncalled for derogatory remarks. BWTHeck it's your fiefdom you be the overlord.

Did I read the book? NO can't say I did. Why would I? Not my cup of tea.I know from glancing at a menu at a Indian restaurant and reading the ingredients that I wont like the food. A tad spicy for me. I can tell from A trailer of a movie if is something I want to see. I am allowed to make judicious decisions based on knowledge gained from other sources.

I was not being shrieky or offensive but the fact that you are speaks volumes,.......

Just let me point out one tinsy little thing for your education. You had better get wake up to the fact that the religious right is what made the difference between the conservatives being in any position of power or still sitting at the table by the Kitchen.

You have an issue with people who have a religion? Thats fine,....I'm up for debate, but there is no need to be an a**.

Hugh MacIntyre said...

its not a matter of having an issue with religion its about if this book should be banned by a public institution. But putting that aside what exactly is your worry here? That some children might question their faith? I was always taught by my priests and Thomas Aquinas that if I don't question then its not faith. Are you opposed to children having true faith?

Crazymamma said...

You ask a good question. Of course you expect your children at some time to question their faith. If they do not question and reaffirm their faith on their own at some time you are not raising a Christian you are raising an unquestioning automaton that accepts anything without deep thought or insight. Kinda like those People who vote Liberal because their daddy and their daddy's daddy did.

I want my children to grow up and question Everything critically with their heart, soul and mind. Only when they can do really see the ideas and the men that represent them as they truly are. I want them to be able to see past the words to the deeds of man. Can you understand?

I personally have fought the banning of books when I was on the PTA of my children's school. I don't like it myself, but I can understand parents who do not appreciate books that promote the loathing of something they hold dear.

For someone to lump all Christians into homosexual hating bonfire making nut jobs is akin to saying all Atheists are Stalins, Pol Pots (SIC)in the making. Ridiculous stereotyping of any group is counter productive, childish and frankly shows a lack of nuance in thinking.

Neo Conservative said...

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"crazymama finally admits... Did I read the book? NO can't say I did. Why would I?"

there... that wasn't so hard... was it?

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Neo Conservative said...

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"Aaron Unruh said... Ah, I'm getting a better idea of what kind of "conservative" blog this is."

oh, aaron... you're still smarting from our last run-in, aren't you?

despite that... you just don't have the balls to call me a nazi out loud... you settle for the snide, yet unmistakeable implication.

sorry pal... godwin's law.

one last thing, though... have you read the book?

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Crazymamma said...

Meet the horses mouth.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/compass.asp


In an interview with the Sydney Morning Herald Pullman left little doubt about the intentions of his writing when he stated:

"My Books are about KILLING GOD"


Sorry about having to stoop to using snopes but I knew they had the quote.

Now tell me why you think it is so important to have read his books in order to have a valid opinion on the content and intention of his writings.

Neo Conservative said...

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"crazymamma triumphantly trumpets... tell me why you think it is so important to have read his books in order to have a valid opinion on the content and intention of his writings."

well... we could start with intellectual cowardice AND laziness... but that was just a rhetorical question, right?

you really don't want, or need, my answer, do you?

if you're looking for affirmation, you should take this on over to liblogs... trust me, they'll kiss up one side of your ass and down the other.

they're all about nanny-state protections.

sorry... i'm guess i'm just not a book burner

oh yeah, one last question... was the author speaking literally... or metaphorically?

oh, that's right... you haven't read the book... you wouldn't be able to say.

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Tenebris said...

neo - have you read ALL THREE BOOKS?

The golden compass
The subtle knife
The amber spyglass

Neo Conservative said...

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"tenspot asks... have you read ALL THREE BOOKS?"

funny... i asked you the same question hours ago... and you still haven't answered.

ladies first.

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Tenebris said...

Try having a soothing cup of tea, neo. You've gotten a little irrational on this one.

Neo Conservative said...

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"tenspot says... Try having a soothing cup of tea"

what... no healing crystals?

see, you didn't answer yet again... you just can't admit it, can you?

ok then, silly... i'll go first.

i haven't read the books... but, in my humble defence, i don't belong to the congregation advocating consigning them to the fires of hell.

you want to burn them... sight unseen. now that's scary.

i will, however, especially after all this fuss about them, consider buying all three for my son for christmas.

because killing ideas... is more dangerous than spreading them.

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Anonymous said...

I love your blog and It's on the list of blogs I visit it daily. Your posts are always smart, funny and astute.

You often have commenters disagree on your opinions and observations and you respond, defend, and rebut with wit and humour and grace.

But I have to admit I've never seen you debate with such irrationalism and emotionalism as you are on this. I only point this out because it seems so unusual and out of character.

You have a great blog and I'll continue to read it daily.

Neo Conservative said...

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"anon says... I've never seen you debate with such irrationalism and emotionalism as you are on this."

well... thx for the kind words... but, irrational, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.

i confess... as a once upon a time catholic... to having a little fun here... but my essential thesis, "if you're gonna burn books, you have to, at minimum, read them first" still stands.

and sigh... even then, i'm probably not gonna burn 'em anyway.

you take away the demons... you embargo angels too. can't have light without dark... you dig?

one last point... the fierce little nuns at my catholic grade school might have thought these books were evil (i'll say more after i actually read them) ... but i bet they would have read them first... before hitting me on the head with one... mostly because their god wasn't afraid to kick ass.

any god worth his plagues and pestilence ain't gonna be too worried about some kids books.

ya think?

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Anonymous said...

It's me Anon again...

"i confess... as a once upon a time catholic... to having a little fun here"

Ok now it get where you're coming from.

I knew I was getting a vibe of either former catholic or
one of those 'There-is-no-God-and-I-hate-him' atheists. Or just plain off your game. So I'll check the first box.

Neo Conservative said...

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"crazymamma says... "My Books are about KILLING GOD" -- Sorry about having to stoop to using snopes but I knew they had the quote."

alright, mamma... you ante up snopes... i raise you (post updated) one archbishop of canterbury...

"In the U.K., the Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams reviewed Pullman's trilogy for the Guardian newspaper in 2004."

"Williams praised the books and recommended them to young readers."

"This extraordinary theatrical adventure sets a creative religious agenda in a way hard to parallel in recent literature and performance," he wrote.


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Neo Conservative said...

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"anon said... I knew I was getting a vibe of either former catholic or
one of those 'There-is-no-God-and-I-hate-him' atheists."


heck... you prove the existence of your god... and nobody'll climb on board faster than yours truly.

that "life everlasting" deal... who wouldn't want that?

but... what if you're wrong... and allah banishes you to eternal fire and suffering... for choosing your supreme being unwisely?

sounds like a bit of a crapshoot to me.

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Aaron Unruh said...

"despite that... you just don't have the balls to call me a nazi out loud... you settle for the snide, yet unmistakeable implication.

sorry pal... godwin's law."

I'm sorry, but I have no clue why this post would lead anyone, let alone me, to think that you're a nazi.

Neo Conservative said...

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"Aaron Unruh said... Ah, I'm getting a better idea of what kind of "conservative" blog this is -- I have no clue why this post would lead anyone, let alone me, to think that you're a nazi."

like i said... no balls at all.

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Aaron Unruh said...

Some of us are not in the business of calling others nazis or communists or wingnuts or whatever. What I meant is that you are hardly a conservative. You don't have the conservative temperament, for one thing. Nor the conservative respect for religion. A conservative trying to dictate to Catholics what books should be in their libraries? Ha.

Neo Conservative said...

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"aaron says... What I meant is that you are hardly a conservative."

aaron... you're losin' me here. i'm not allowed to be a conservative because i don't have sufficient "respect for religion"?

that's nuts.

and who was trying to dictate anything to anyone? if the catholic school board is naive enough to think that burning books will solve their problems here... they are in for a helluva... oops, pardon me... a heckuva surprise.

the fuss the rc boards have creating by yanking this book off the shelves, is guaranteed to drive their curious kids towards it... in record numbers, i might add.

now, this is just my opinion, but the conservative party you seem to be describing... is what is often pejoratively referred to in the usa as the religious right... a movement that is scaring the shit out of middle of the road folks of all stripes. is that really a desirable outcome here?

what i would say to you in closing, my friend, is... be careful what you wish for.

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