18 April 2011

Oh, c'mon... gimme one good reason...

...the social & economic juggernaut that is Italy... shouldn't be calling the shots for their European, uh... "partners"...

-- (Reuters) -- France temporarily shut its border to trains from Italy carrying African migrants and protesters on Sunday, a move Rome formally protested, accusing Paris of violating European principles.
That'd be, what, Silvio... the principle that a country should have control over it's own borders?
Italy has began issuing migrants with temporary permits allowing them to leave Italy to travel to other destinations in Europe, a policy which has been criticised by several of its partners, including France and Germany.


8 comments:

max said...

Eh.. well he's gotta apply pressure somehow. Italy always faces the largest onslaught of EU-bound North African migrants because of geography, and this is Berlusconi's hardball way of saying it's time for the Schengen area pals to move beyond moral support and pitch in materially to plug the gaping hole in the fence.

Neo Conservative said...

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not sure i get your reasoning here.

while silvio parties with teenage strippers... somehow it's up to the rest of the eu to beef up italy's borders? and if they won't... he'll facilitate the passage of illegals across their borders?

seriously?

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max said...

Yeah seriously - I'm saying that either the EU pays into shared border control or abandons the idea of shared border control.

Shared or "common" border control is the major reason for the EU. Either you buy the idea of EU cooperation and do things like cooperate on border control, or you don't. I'm not taking a position on whether the EU experiment is doomed or not - but if you're going to have German workers paying for Greeks to party i.e (shared costs), it's tough to argue that shared costs don't apply to the common border control.

This migrant problem is a major EU fracture that's not going away by ignoring it. I think it's a shrewd move by Berlusconi, hooker parties aside.

Neo Conservative said...

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then, max... my guess is... bye-bye european union in the not too distant future.

berlusconi is a clown... and italy... with it's 50 or 60 ineffective governments since ww2... is headed for the scrapheap of history.

no wonder silvio's partying like it's the end of the world.

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jwkozak91 said...

Uh, Neo...

When I visited Europe in 2000, it was as easy to cross an "international" border as it was for me to go from Alberta to Saskatchewan.

In other words: there are trains and semis zooming past France-Italy "border checkpoints" at 55 mph.

Once you're "in Europe", you can go to wherever the dole is highest.

Neo Conservative said...

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"jwkozak91 says... Once you're 'in Europe', you can go to wherever the dole is highest."

so this whole train thing is just a big government engineered publicity stunt?

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max said...

Neo: "so this whole train thing is just a big government engineered publicity stunt?"

I think so. And expressed more clearly than what I was circuitously failing to do. By putting an official stamp on the de-facto situation he's forcing moves in the citadel of EU bureaucracy.

Say what you will about Berlusconi.. he knows how to get people's attention. And maybe take a look at who else is on the ballot in "the boot".

jwkozak91 said...

I should clarify.

If you successfully evade the external border controls of the European Union, there are no internal border checks between member states - so you could theoretically "go to wherever the dole is highest", as I put it.

As these Arab/Bedouin North Africans were caught by Italian authorities while crossing into the EU (and had their bacon saved by the Italian Navy) - and as they have been wards of the Italian state since then, they could be held back by French gendarmes.

So yes - if you're caught, you can be part of a "government engineered publicity stunt". If under cover of night you island-hop between Turkey and Greece, or under cover of night sneak into a Spanish enclave in Africa - you're home free once you're in Greece or in Spanish territory to roam wherever in the EU.