28 August 2008

Even the junkies know...

...this really isn't about their salvation...

These are the people to whom Insite really matters; not the drug addicts themselves, but the bureaucrats and politicians who will have smaller empires if Insite is closed.

They are selling Insite to the public on the basis that harm reduction represents the compassionate way to deal with addiction.

They are the empathy industry.
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FROM THE COMMENTS: A question for Stephane Dion
"My 17 year old son has been charged with trafficking crack cocaine..."
And, Roblaw continues...
"The resounding advice, from former addicts, dealers and their families, was you have to force them to hit rock bottom before they will get it."

"As hard as it was, my son was out of the home, was hiring his own lawyer (even though I am a lawyer with criminal lawyers in my office) and while I have told him I love him, I have told him he is not welcome in my home until he has shown that he has turned his life around."
I can't imagine the courage it must have taken to do this.

Read it all.

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14 comments:

Honey Pot said...

There is no such thing as a healthy junkie, and for the poverty pimps to pretend they can produce one is downright stupid.

It is sick that whole industry of enablers has been produced to cater to the walking dead.

Ask any recovering addict,the best thing that ever happened to them is that they had their ass kicked to the curb, by everyone around them.

You got a choice then, you either lay in your vomit and puke, and hopefully die, or get up and take a shower and move on.

The enablers are addicted to the junkies, it is their fix, watching them destroy themselves and others around them.

roblaw said...

My 17 year old son has been charged with trafficking crack cocain. He is now at risk of going to jail.

In the midst of my melt-down, he pointed out that if the government can help people do heroin, why can they then turn around and charge someone else for helping others do cocain.

Do we really need to be sending that message to the youth of our Country? That helping others do drugs is, in fact, a public service?

Anonymous said...

My 17 year old son has been charged with trafficking crack cocain. He is now at risk of going to jail.
Sorry to hear that. On a first offense, he can likely avoid jail time, especially if he fingers his supplier. Though he could well be murdered for that. But I am not a lawyer.

In the midst of my melt-down, he pointed out that if the government can help people do heroin, why can they then turn around and charge someone else for helping others do cocain.
Your melt-down is likely why you did not see the obvious flaw in his argument. Trafficking means supplying the drug. That is very different from simply helping someone to avoid killing themselves or others in the process of using the drug. His analogy is like equating someone serving poisoned food with someone who rolls you over so you don't suffocate on your own vomit.

Do we really need to be sending that message to the youth of our Country? That helping others do drugs is, in fact, a public service?
Of course we should not send the message you give here. The message should be that if find yourself in the midst of the street drug culture, you can go to a safe place where you will find people who want to help you get into treatment. The message should be that society will not simply kick you to the curb but will try to help you get out of this. The people at the centre would be among the few that are not simply out to exploit you, turn you into a prostitute or make you a low level hood.

Rose said...

It's frustrating anon, my brother is a crack addict. He destroys everything or anyone he touches with his addiction. These people have no idea what they are unleashing onto the public. These do-gooder busy bodies are stupid, as Honey pointed out a person who is an addict is not nor will they ever be healthy whilst on drugs. Clean needles aren't going to change the ending if they don't get clean they'll die from an over dose or from aides or hep C.

Anon I hope your son cleans up his act, he's on the road to hell.

Neo Conservative said...

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"anon says... His analogy is like equating someone serving poisoned food..."

and insite is providing a nice, inviting dining room, laying out the best china and expensive cutlery and saying... "hey, bring your own chateau lafitte."

the boy's analogy is crude... but appropriate. the government is sending the worst message possible.

ps -- offer my child a crackpipe and i'll make you eat it.

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Anonymous said...

anon @ 6:46...I can't help but think you are part of that soft coddly industry.You come across as very caring and analytical. But roblaw's son doesn't hear that part of the story.
All he knows is 'what's good for the goose is good for the gander.'
No wonder kids call politicians hypocrites.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said
"The message should be that society will not simply kick you to the curb but will help you try to get out of this."
This one statement reminds me of at least two proverbial snippets of common sense and the wisdom of ages.
- The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
- Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.
The only person that can get a degenerate junkie off the spike or the pipe is the junkie himself. Anyone that advocates anything other than abstinence from drugs is an enabler not a helper.
I get the sneaking suspicion that the fight to keep this govt funded shooting gallery open has more to do with helping the "poverty industry" types keep their snouts in the trough than "helping" junkies.

robert

Johnathon said...

One question the retards on the left will never answer is where the junkies get their money to go to INSITE and shoot up.

Where does the money come from?

You got it, from robbing people and doing scores.

So what the leftist retards want is to allow people to shoot up, go rob innocent civilians and then go back and shoot up.

The cycle will not end until the junies are locked up by force and forced to dry out.

The retards on the left don't care about the innocent people that get robbed but rather the junkies who do the scores.

This country is turning into a joke.

Neo Conservative said...

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"jonathon asks... Where does the money come from?"

my pals in the leftosphere have assured me that being a junkie is a victimless crime.

in fact... all their sympathy apparently lies with the addicts.

funny how that works.

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roblaw said...

Follwing up on honey pot's point.. to try and make sense of this horrible situation with my family - I found an incredibly supportive U.S. Website called, "soberrecovery.com", which is basically a support group for addicts.. and the resounding advice, from former addicts, dealers and their families, was you have to force them to hit rock bottom before they will get it. As hard as it was, my son was out of the home, was hiring his own lawyer (even though I am a lawyer with criminal lawyers in my office) and while I have told him I love him, I have told him he is not welcome in my home until he has shown that he has turned his life around.

The idea that providing a "safety net" for users will improve the over-all drug abuse situation is the most moronic thing I have ever seen. What we need is more people dying from drug abuse, not less, and perhaps young people will get the idea that there is not "future" in drug abuse.

Neo Conservative said...

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"roblaw says... The idea that providing a "safety net" for users will improve the over-all drug abuse situation is the most moronic thing I have ever seen."

i have a son... and i cannot imagine how difficult it must have been to make this decision.

the inescapable truth is... you cannot save people... especially from themselves.

you can only love them... and hope that they come to their senses.

rob... please let us know how this turns out.

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roblaw said...

I can tell you, so far, we are in counseling together, he has a new job, is starting Grade 12 this week, he bought a cheap car, and had no hesitancy in pleading guilty, and is awaiting a pre-sentence report. If he keeps his nose clean and is truly remorseful, he may keep himself out of jail.

He is still angry for me throwing him out, and is upset that I haven't just forgiven him, however, the information I have received is as hard as it is, I need to be resolute in my message that what he has done is abhorrent and unacceptable or, when the chips are down, any message of condonation will be taken as justification to fall back into it.

So – tell me that a nice clean clinic isn’t, to some degree, a subtle message that:

a) Using heroin can be “safe”;
b) Society doesn’t judge you for what you are doing, and in fact, is in a small way, supportive.

To everyone who has sent a subtle or not-so-subtle message to my son that drug use and dealing is “victimless” – well, f*ck you all.

roblaw said...

Oh, and if you're so inclined, the bright, loving athletic boy in the white t-shirt on my blog pic at http://searchingforliberty.blogspot.com is the very real person who has made his own bed, but with some assistance from our "non-judgmental society".

Anonymous said...

Thanks for sharing roblaw...be strong, keeping loving and hope it works out.The tough love that we have had to use with ours kids in nothing compared to what you are going thru.
Hope also that anon @ 6:46 gets the message, and the rest of the soft mushy libs.