28 January 2010

That's my Prime Minister

-- OTTAWA -- The Conservative government is rekindling the controversial debate over youth justice with a plan to impose stiffer adult sentences for young murderers and rapists and lift publication bans for serious sex offenders, QMI Agency has learned.
That seems pretty straightforward... I mean who could possibly argue against that?

But, of course...
The memorandum also predicts the Liberals will publicly support the legislative reforms but work against them away from the cameras.
Yeah... we know the name of that tune, don't we?


24 comments:

Anonymous said...

It's not just the YJA that needs fixing.
An 18 year old pusher in London, Ont. was just arrested last week, with a concealed weapon, and he was back out on the streets the next day. He has a long juvenile record as well (now expunged of course) but is free to go back into the schools and peddle drugs.
Odds are when he does (if) get to court it will be a suspended sentence or something equally lame.

We need to publish the names of all young offenders who commit serious crimes, and this habit of clearing the record when they pass 18 has to end.

Many of these guys are dangerous offenders well before their 18th birthday and need to be dealt with as such.

Anonymous said...

Wow! What a suprise! Harper is down in the polls and starts talking criminal reform!

Get your red meat here!

Neo Conservative said...

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"nonnybot screeches... starts talking criminal reform!"

of course, nonny... the harper conservatives have never talked about being "tough on crime" until just now.

what a moronic thing to say.

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Ted Betts said...

"The memorandum also predicts the Liberals will publicly support the legislative reforms but work against them away from the cameras."

So very different from introducing a piece of crime legislation then choosing to let it die on the order paper then introducing it again then choosing to let it on the order paper again then introducing it again then choosing to let it die on the order paper again then introducing it again then...

Someone knows how to play his base for fools without actually doing anything.

Neo Conservative said...

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"ted betts says... introducing a piece of crime legislation then choosing to let it die"

tedley... don't you mean the liberal senators holding up the conservatives "tough on crime" bills that liberal members previously agreed to?

and, i seem to remember... harper has always had a minority government... your guys could have brought them down at any time... well, except for that "testicular insufficiency" thing.

ah ted... we've missed you.

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Ted Betts said...

Actually, you really should do your own research and not rely on PMO spin and talking points. The senate has been passing Harper's crime legislation, sometimes faster even than the House.

A normal bill takes between 6 and 9 months to become law. The Truth in Sentencing bill became law in under 4 months, for example. Another bill on crime - the 2 for 1 thing - was introduced in the Senate by the Conservatives but they haven't even brought it to a vote or to committee yet. Still another one was subject to a fast tracking motion by the Liberals that didn't pass because it needed 2/3 of the Senate and the Conservatives voted against fasttracking the voting. Even your own link notes that the amendment the Liberals introduced on that bill was the "for the first time substantially altering a key plank in the government's tough-on-crime agenda", and yet Harper has been whining that they have gutted everything. Truth is they amended Chretien's legislation more often than Harpers.

Truth is Harper doesn't like our Constitution and wants to impose his own rules on our democracy.

Harper clearly thinks that if you lie really big, then people are more likely to believe you. So let's put this lie about the Senate holding things up to bed, shall we, and stick with reality.

Neo Conservative said...

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"ted says... wants to impose his own rules on our democracy"

oh my gawd... ted has tumbled to stephen harper's evil, knuckle-draggin' secret plan... to round up dissenters, tattoo numbers on their foreheads and send them to that secret gulag on baffin island.

we're gonna make saint pierre & the war measures act look like a matinee performance of dr doolittle.

arrrghhhh... shades of "guns in our streets!!!"

p.s. - ted, when did it become "your" democracy.

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Ted Betts said...

Oh please, it's as much mine as it is yours and therefore it is "ours", the Canadian people. It does not, in other words, belong to Harper, all efforts by him to make it seem so to the contrary.

And I don't think his hidden agenda has us non-koolaid drinkers getting tattoed on the head. I think it is going on our arms. He's not Hitler after all.

Neo Conservative said...

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"ted says... I think it is going on our arms. He's not Hitler after all."

uh, ted... i'm pretty sure the nazis did the arm thing.

so does that mean you do think he is hitler?

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Ted Betts said...

I must have got an earlier draft of the PMO memo. Are you hearing the tattoo will be on the head? Like their explanation of prorogation, they change their talking point on this every couple of hours.

To pay down the deficit, and ensure Conservative majorities here on in, I've also heard tell that he's going to sell Ontario, Quebec, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and PEI to the French. (He's keeping NL so he can give'r to Williams.)

Neo Conservative said...

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"ted says... Like their explanation of prorogation"

thanks for bringing that up, my friend... i'm actually taking a little poll here...

"In view of the fact that Bob Rae has prorogued Parliament three times, Jean Chretien four times, and Pierre Trudeau eleven times, do you see Stephen Harper’s second prorogation as (a) a particular abuse of power or (b) the use of a legitimate constitutional tool?"

and ted... that's not a rhetorical question.

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Ted Betts said...

No but it is clearly a disengenuous one.

Harper has prorogued 3 times in 4 years and 4 times if you count the election.

Neo Conservative said...

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ah, ted... like i said... we've missed you.

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frank said...

4 times if you count the election.

Now that's what I call grasping. Holy sh*t Ted do you really believe what you're writing?

Ted Betts said...

What is factually incorrect about anything I've written Frank.

The point being threefhold if you are following the discussion:

- Harper likes to shut down Parliament when he's not getting his way, whether by proroguing or by breaking his own promise/law and forcing an unwanted election.

- His prorogation record is higher than any other PM.

- Neo is being dishonest when he claims Harper has prorogued only twice.

And to be clear that is not to even suggest for a second that (1) all prorogations are the same because obviously any moron knows that there is a big difference between all the prorogations Neo lists (and also Harper's first prorogation) and his latest shutting down of Parliament, and (2) it isn't about prorogation, it's about a long list of anti-democratic moves by Harper that is getting worse by the month of which this is only the most recent and most arrogant.

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Neo Conservative said...

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"ted says... His prorogation record is higher than any other PM."

not higher than teflon jean & saint pierre... but, you go girl. you may be misguided, but at least there's a modicum of courtesy.

hey... looks like "liberal supporter" is here to cheer you on.

too bad little libby's lost his commenting priviliges ... maybe you can teach him some manners.

sorry lib... deleted yet again.

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Ted Betts said...

Trudeau: 10 end of session prorogations in 16 years - ratio of 1.6 (I think one of the 11 was an election)

Chretien: 4 end of session prorogations in 11 years - ratio of 2.75

Harper: 1 end of session prorogation and 2 sudden prorogations in 4 years - ratio of 1.3

or put another way, since calling an election (as opposed to losing confidence) has the same effect as prorogation

Harper: 4 shutting Parliaments in 4 years - ratio of 1.0

You were saying Neo?

Ted Betts said...

By the way, given the comments from Liberal Supporter here there and everywhere, and given the completely lame handle, I think it is pretty obvious that she is not a Liberal but is just out to mock anti-Harper claims with over-the-top hyperbole. Thought you would have liked her. Kind of like Jonathan Swift without the... Jonathan Swift.

Neo Conservative said...

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"ted says... just out to mock anti-Harper claims with over-the-top hyperbole."

yeah... some pretty cool mockery, bro.

sounds kinda like a lot of the feedback i get from the compassionate, intellectual left-o-sphere... you know... liberal supporteres.

and ted, while you've got your calculator out... what percentage is 8 out of 19 comments... to pound away at the same lame argument?

"the lady doth protest too much, methinks."

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Ted Betts said...

Just tryin' to keep you folks a little honest and factual, neo.

I note with interest you never seem to refute my responses.

Neo Conservative said...

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"ted says... you never seem to refute my responses"

ted... be honest and look at your commentary here.

would it even slow you down a little bit? good grief... you're willing to hand over the reins of power to a guy who didn't even live here for 34 years.

the only reason they brought iggy back was because the rest of the liberal talent pool were indelibly tainted by previous liberal misbehaviour.

drink deep, my friend... but be careful what you wish for.

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Ted Betts said...

I love how you bait and switch, neo.

The post was about prorogation, I responded to it, corrected some facts. And people are seriously pissed with Harper right now over prorogation but for prorogation because of all that led up to it and the blatant lies from the PMO about it.

Personally, I don't think Canadians as a general whole are nearly as pissed with Harper as with Martin and he's still pretty safe even though he's tanked in the polls.

It would be a really bad thing for Canada if we just shluffed off this affront to democracy - not dictatorship, not stalist, just an affront. Every PM since Trudeau has eroded some fundamental aspect of our democracy.

If we do nothing, then they will think they can do even more. Harper and the next PM after that will think twice, hopefully, about playing such transparent partisan games to avoid accountability. That is what Reform was ultimately about and as I've said before the anti-prorogation crowd has more in common with the Reform Party right now than Harper does.

Neo Conservative said...

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fair enough, ted... although i do hope that you aren't imagining that i'll have some sort of "road to damascus" moment here.

in the interest of learning more about what's on the other side of the curtain... i'd love to have your opinion on this one.

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