21 June 2008

It may be old news...

...but I've found a new hero...

"Sheriff Joe Arpaio created the "tent city jail" to save Arizona from spending tens of millions of dollars on another expensive prison complex. He has jail meals down to 20 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them.

He banned smoking and pornographic magazines in the jails, and took away their weightlifting equipment and cut off all but "G" movies. He says: "They're in jail to pay a debt to society not to build muscles so they can assault innocent people when they leave."
Hey, Corrections Canada... are you listening?
He started chain gangs to use the inmates to do free work on county and city projects and save taxpayer's money. Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get sued for discrimination.

He took away cable TV until he found out there was a federal court order that required cable TV for jails. So he hooked up the cable TV again but only allows the Disney channel and the weather channel.

When asked why the weather channel, he replied: "So these morons will know how hot it's gonna be while they are working on my chain gangs."
Gawd... I think I'm in love.

(h/t reader northern annie)

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UPDATE: HE'S BAAA-AAAAAK

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WELCOME, YET AGAIN READERS OF CANADIAN CYNIC

Yes, yes, CC... we all know how kind & compassionate you are. Say, while we're at it... let's revisit your pet theory about those dastardly, evil Jews.

Now, I have to say it's pretty flattering that CC apparently reads... not only every word I write these days... but all the comments too.

And maybe I've unfairly pegged the Cynic, who also apparently has nothing to do with Stephen J. Walter, who once also blogged as Canadian Cynic... as a nasty, uncaring fellow.

Apparently CC is all about disabled rights. Who knew?

If only he had as much compassion for the grieving mother of a dead Canadian soldier.

Funny how that works.

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FROM THE COMMENTS: The lefties reply...
Romantic Heretic says... "My first thought when reading stuff like this is to plant some cocaine on the people who think it's a wonderful idea. And tell the authorities about it."
No surprise here, huh? Say hi to CC for me.


71 comments:

Anonymous said...

lol...me too

Neo Conservative said...

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i hear he also issues the cons pink underwear... 'cos he knows it makes them crazy.

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Fred . . . said...

our whack job HRC's would shit their collective pants if we had the common-sense to use these techniques in Canada.

Just think of the damage the criminals would suffer to their dignity if they were actually punished in our jails instead of having taxpayer funded golf classes at a Club Fed

maryT said...

Yes, they do wear pink underwear. And, very few of them ever reoffend. He keeps getting re-elected. I think Vancouver has the climate for a tent city, but I would prefer a cement city on Hanns Island. Don't we need do defend our right to be there.

Anonymous said...

You know on the surface this guy looks great, but do a bit of digging...wikipedia outlines his tactics (have a read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio). Some of them are insane.

I like the idea of criminals doing "hard" time, for sure...but this guy runs his county like a personal fiefdom, even trying to intimidate local politicians and civilians.

He's been involved with the death of paraplegics and blind people in his jails.

Again don't get me wrong, we are faaaaaar too kind to our criminals in jail, "hard" time should be "HARD"

Power corrupts...

Neo Conservative said...

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"anon says... involved with the death of paraplegics and blind people"

wikipedia huh? and you say he murders handicapped people.

whoa... does he kill aliens too?

hey... got any corroboration from the national enquirer?

c'mon.

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Anonymous said...

I am not saying he did anything...Neo I have never put words in your mouth, please do not put words in mine.

I did a 30 sec search on this guy as your article got me interested.

Fair enough...Google this guy...you'll see more of what was mentioned.

also: do you believe that wikipedia is not a good source of info? Please elaborate, I am really interested in your opinion on this.
I find it to be an excellent resource.

At any rate, I do agree with a lot of what he is doing...making prisoners work, removing luxuries from jails, making the jail time unpleasant...these are all excellent things we should look at doing here.

I am just pointing out that there may be some shenanigans that even you and I as conservatives would find unacceptable, so I am suggesting he not be your new hero until you get a better read on this guy...ok?

Neo Conservative said...

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"anon asks... do you believe that wikipedia is not a good source of info? Please elaborate, I am really interested in your opinion on this.
I find it to be an excellent resource."


well, thanks for asking... i've actually already posted about my scorn for that leftbot 'holy of holies' wikipedia.

i'm sure canadian cynic, who has linked to me for the umpteenth time... has done a much more exhaustive search in his campaign to expose what he sees as my, er... foibles.

it's weird... the cynic has just gone absolutely apeshit since i mentioned his waterloo based twin in cynicism... a man named sjwalter.

i don't know what this walter fellow has actually done to him... but judging from cc's reaction... it can't be a good thing.

i imagine cc has yet again summoned his cadre of potty-mouthed trolls... and we'll shortly be hearing from the likes of lol kevron, ti-guy and red tory.

oh, well.

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Romantic Heretic said...

My first thought when reading stuff like this is to plant some cocaine on the people who think it's a wonderful idea. And tell the authorities about it.

I imagine them whining, "Hey! The vice pinches when it's my nuts in it."

Renee said...

It never fails to amuse me how much vicarious enjoyment you folks get out of brutality. Applauding conditions that are pretty similar to Stalin's gulags - what are you, a bunch of communists?

Neo Conservative said...

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"romantic heretic chortles... My first thought when reading stuff like this is to plant some cocaine on the people who think it's a wonderful idea."

your "first thought", huh?

you're some romantic.

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Neo Conservative said...

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"renee asks... what are you, a bunch of communists?"

now renee... i'm sure all the lovely young women writing love letters to paul bernardo would agree with you 100%.

say... you have any deep thoughts on the "victims of crime"?

yeah... that's what i thought.

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Anonymous said...

don;t have to be communist to want criminals to serve a "proper" jail sentence...as I stated previously a lot of what this guy is doing is quite proper...however some of what he is doing appears to be unduly brutal...and I do not think anyone (including Neo ...forgive me if I am wrong) wants to see that. But the bottom line is, criminals need to be punished, jail should not be pleasant.

Anonymous said...

oh and i get your point about wikipedia...

Anonymous said...

oh and one more thing: cc is surely a moron...i mean really out there...he's so far outta left field, the guy is actually in the parking lot...in the next town

Neo Conservative said...

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"anon says... criminals need to be punished, jail should not be pleasant."

and that, my friends, is actually the main point here... not, as 'romantic heretic' is wont to do... "plant some cocaine" on folks (s)he doesn't agree with... which, incidentally... is another important philosophical difference between the left and the right.

it shouldn't be a social club where you get to explore and deepen your newly discovered wiccan leanings.

it should be an unpleasant and decidedly unrewarding experience.

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harebell said...

The only trouble with using convicts to fulfill municipal contracts is that it takes work contracts away from the community.
Small businesses end up with fewer and fewer opportunities to bid on county contracts.
But they still have to find the money to pay for the convicts to put them out of work. What a great system where you have to pay for your competition in a no-bid process.
Of course this won't affect the retired or those in the employ of the state or local governments (all of whom the small business owner already pays for) just small business owners locally.

Cameron Campbell said...

Is this newspaper a proper source?

Anonymous said...

oh good, Campbell(the plaid shirt guy) the latest addition to the Cesspool dive team is here...glug, glug, glug...

Neo Conservative said...

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thank you cameron campbell... hey, another cc.

say, cameron... how about you save a little of your oozing leftbot sympathy for, say... the families of dylan ellis and oliver martin?

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langmann said...

I don't support torture, if that newspaper article is correct - and that doesn't mean I trust the article. I really doubt that the "paraplegic" was a model of good behaviour as the article plays up.

That being said I also don't support the patronizing system we have here - and that is from experience working within it, not just talking out my "rear end" like most of CC's minions.

I do wonder if the next time one of the men who have been through Arpaio's hard time system decides to commit a crime if he makes a point of doing it in the next county over. I'll bet we see most of the repeats being done elsewhere... most criminals are lazy and stupid but a chain gang is hard to forget.

Neo Conservative said...

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"langmann says... and that doesn't mean I trust the article"

hey... if, and i haven't read the article, some rogue guards went over the line... charge 'em and let them have their day in court.

even charles manson got a trial.

this still doesn't invalidate arpaio's programme... it just proves there are bad people in all parts of society.

surprise!!!

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Renee said...

Hey Neo, I'm a victim of crime, unless having a brother shot to death doesn't count anymore... and I still think you're a tool.

Anonymous said...

"Renee" from Stalin's gulags...and Hogan's Hero's Renee?, that's right, it was a documentary...sheeeesh.

Renee said...

wtf?

Anonymous said...

Yeh, exactly WTF!...what a maroon.

Neo Conservative said...

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"renee says... and I still think you're a tool."

ooh, renee... hurtful words... "i'm melting!!!".

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Renee said...

Oh, come on, you don't seriously think that an appeal to emotion - you'd be a-ok with brutality if you were a victim of crime - would actual elicit a response other than scorn? Come on, don't make this so easy.

Neo Conservative said...

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"renee says... you don't seriously think that an appeal to emotion..."

renee... you mean like tossing a reference to a murdered brother into the mix?

i don't know what's easy... but i sure recognise "simple" when i see it.

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Renee said...

Hey, you're the one who accused me of not understanding how victims of crime felt. Well, I do, and I don't agree with you. Further evidence that your argument is shit.

Renee said...

(that is to say, if it wasn't clear: if you try to demolish somebody's argument by accusing them of not understanding how other people feel, and they do, then you lose. I'm recommending that you give up the tactic altogether, and try something like, say, thinking.)

Neo Conservative said...

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"renee says... I don't agree with you. Your argument is shit."

oh, gawd... that's your thesis?

you're hysterical.

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Anonymous said...

..but, but Renee tossed in Stalin's gulags, how much more evidence is required?...the winner and still champeen - Renee!

Anonymous said...

wow this thread has gone off a bit...the point is, is the sheriff doing the right thing or not?

making prison life hard for convicted felons is a good thing. prison time should not be a badge of honor, it should be feared.

letting prisoners get beaten to death or feeding them rotten baloney is not a good thing. (feed them that stuff neo posted about a while back...totally nutritious, and totally bad tasting)

renee, i am sorry for your loss...and i will not presume to debate you, but can i ask if, as a victim of crime you feel that the justice system is handing out appropriate sentences, and if those sentences should be in facilities that coddle inmates? cable tv, university education, good eats (we spend more on inmates per day than on seniors in nursing homes for food), drugs, porn etc...these things do not help convicts rehabilitate...and if we can not rehabilitate, then should we not at least punish?

should not the thought of 10 years at labor with no:
- phone/internet/tv,
- voting privileges,
- good food (not rotten food, but really boring/bland & cheap),
- visitors,
- drugs/smokes/drinks/porn
- free education
be considered a good thing as a deterrent?

i am not saying gulag time here, but let's make the stay tough...so tough that the inmate will not want to end up there again

Renee said...

Neo, you're missing the point. I'm making fun of your argument by pointing it out on your terms. The fact that you think that what I'm saying is hilarious is, itself, hilarious.

Anonymous, in short: yes. Your use of the word coddle presumes a position already staked out.

When we do cognitive behavioral therapy we immerse the person in situations where correct behaviour is rewarded. Conversely, we get people over their phobias by immersing them in phobic situations - they become innured to the effects. So you tell me: should we immerse inmates in terrible situations and then expect them to not become numbed to them? Should we not teach inmates how to properly be members of society?

And, by the way, I've visited prisons in other countries, and where the conditions are harshest the recidivism rate is the highest. Coincidence?

Neo Conservative said...

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"renee says... I'm making fun of your argument"

well renee... the fact that you feel you have to explain yourself in such excruciating detail... suggests that you're actually making an ass of youself.

and when you say... "where the conditions are harshest the recidivism rate is the highest"... does that mean you think kissing up to your brother's murderer would be the most appropriate sentence?

just give him a little "cognitive behavioral therapy" and drop him back off in the hood?

lord love a psych major.

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Renee said...

Neo: You are such a moron it's, well, kind of shocking. Good god, I had to explain myself because you are such an idiot you kept not getting it. You still don't get it, and until you have an IQ transfer I fear you never will.

(PS: I'm not a psych major, I'm an engineer.)

Neo Conservative said...

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"renee spits... You are such a moron it's, well, kind of shocking."

my goodness, renee... it'd be difficult to counter such a well-reasoned, carefully laid-out premise.

now... being an engineer... does that involve logic & reason at all? 'cos i'm just not seein' it here.

and whatever it is that you actually do... i guess you're not the person who gets to schmooze the clients, huh?

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Anonymous said...

Renee:

Anonymous, in short: yes. Your use of the word coddle presumes a position already staked out.

Damn right my position is staked out...prison inmates have it far too easy...hmmm let's see good 'old Karla (Homolka that is) got her self a nice fancy degree while in the slammer...I had to pay through the ass for mine...we spend more on feeding prisoners than on the elderly in our care facilities...that doesn't bother you?

When we do cognitive behavioral therapy we immerse the person in situations where correct behaviour is rewarded. Conversely, we get people over their phobias by immersing them in phobic situations - they become innured to the effects. So you tell me: should we immerse inmates in terrible situations and then expect them to not become numbed to them? Should we not teach inmates how to properly be members of society?

No, their freakin parent's should have done that...and by the way cognitive therapy only works when the patient a) understands (i.e.: is cognizant) what they did was wrong and b) sincerely wants to understand why what they did was wrong (as explained to me by a friend of mine who is a shrink)...soooo puhleeeeeze do not go spouting off the psycho babble here...

I do sympathize for your loss but I cannot give you a pass for your irrationality

Neo Conservative said...

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"anon says... we spend more on feeding prisoners than on the elderly in our care facilities... that doesn't bother you?"

and guess what, renee... he's not kidding.

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Cameron Campbell said...

"say, cameron... how about you save a little of your oozing leftbot sympathy for, say... the families of dylan ellis and oliver martin?"

I missed this post.. Can I ask you how suggesting that the Sherif has done bad things is incompatible with feeling sympathy for the families of murder victims?

Further, can someone explain to me how suggesting that the Sherif is wrong automatically means that I don't want murderers brought to justice?

I guess what I'm wondering is actually this: neo? Why are you such a liar?

Anonymous said...

Neo runs a security business. He needs convicts to come out bitter and with no skills other than crime skills learned from other inmates. He needs them treated badly so they will be more likely to lash out when released and thereby bring him more business.

Note how Statscan again says crime is down, at a 30 YEAR LOW and yet, not a word about it here, other than to sneer that it's wrong.

That's because a falling crime rate would be the worst thing for neo's business which is based on selling fear.

Just follow the money and you will find neo trying to drum up business.

Anonymous said...

Neo especially likes the Sheriff's brand of summary justice. You know the dead guy in the wheelchair WAS NOT CONVICTED OF ANY CRIME. Yes, neo likes them picked up on suspicion, roughed up and eventually released. He tries to hold them long enough, and release them only after being beaten up so they will likely lose their jobs and turn to crime. This is what neo wants here.

Neo Conservative said...

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"cameron campbell whinges... what I'm wondering is actually this: neo? Why are you such a liar?"

what I'm wondering is actually this, cameron... why did you shoot jfk?

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Neo Conservative said...

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"anon spews... Neo especially likes the Sheriff's brand of summary justice."

and apparently, i'm not the only one.

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Neo Conservative said...

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"anon crows... crime is down, at a 30 YEAR LOW"

i'll see your 'crime is down' and raise you 6 stiffs in 1 week.

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Cameron Campbell said...

Ah.. the loaded question... the last refuge of liars and idiots.

The difference between my question and yours is that mine is based in fact (you provided opinions for me that I did not voice ie: lied) and yours is just a pathetic, idiotic, dishonest and badly played debating tactic reserved for people who can't flee fast enough.

Neo Conservative said...

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"cameron campbell whines... badly played debating tactic reserved for people who can't flee fast enough."

and yet, cameron... here you are once again, squandering that big brain of yours... on us "liars and idiots".

d'oh!!!

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Cameron Campbell said...

hahahhaha...

brilliant... if I reply I lose, and if I don't I lose... verily you're an asshole of the first water.

Neo Conservative said...

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"cameron campbell pouts... if I reply I lose, and if I don't I lose"

trust me, cameron... it has nothing to do with anything you might say here.

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Cameron Campbell said...

neo conservative stops sucking livestock cock long enough to mumble ... trust me, cameron... it has nothing to do with anything you might say here.

hey, that's fun...

Neo Conservative said...

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"cameron campbell again shows us his genius... 'liar', 'liars and idiots', 'asshole of the first water', 'sucking livestock cock'"

gee, campbell... you're giving ol' cc a run for his money, huh?

you kiss your mummy with that mouth?

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Cameron Campbell said...

She's dead.

So no.




Reason #1 why Mom jokes are always a bad idea.

Cameron Campbell said...

And it should be pointed out that you still haven't explained why you insist on making up opinions for people.

Neo Conservative said...

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"cameron campbell again shows us his genius... 'liar', 'liars and idiots', 'asshole of the first water', 'sucking livestock cock'... you still haven't explained... waah!!!"

sure mr. pottymouth... because i owe you.

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Cameron Campbell said...

I was asking politely back then, before you started typifying everything I said as whining... (note that it was after you accused me of having no sympathy for victims of crime in Canada... where is the Sherif again? ).

So to review, liar... coward.. goal post shifter...

The neo con trifecta!

Yay you!

Anonymous said...

cameron: I think neo conjob actually did answer your question in a way, the question being why he insists on making up opinions for people.

He does this, hoping you will say something that allows him to change the channel and not address anything.

You gave him his opening by talking about him sucking livestock roosters. Now I usually eat roosters by chewing them, not sucking them, but to each their own. Some people make roosters into soup, and you would tend to suck the rooster soup off the spoon.

Neo of course, with his brain still in the schoolyard, probably thought you were using "cock" to refer to a penis. And Neo, for reasons of his own, considers a penis to be obscene. Not surprising I suppose, for such a self hating man.

So he seized and feasted upon your cock, so to speak, by using said word further to call you names. He's hoping you will feed him more material which will let him continue to dazzle us all and highlight his own brilliance in his own mind. I would not be surprised if he's hoping for a death threat, like ezra is now alleging to have received. That would increase his BT cred immensely. Too bad nobody wants him dead or even injured. He's too much fun! He's far more useful simply plying his blog and showing the world what a silly tool he actually is. I think he reflects the BT collective mind quite well, actually.

Neo Conservative said...

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"nonny-mouse says... So he seized and feasted upon your cock"

see cameron... you do have like-minded friends.

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Cameron Campbell said...

nonny-mouse, nice play on words, sad that neo didn't notice it...

Anonymous said...

cameron: I was just checking to see whether neo has a crush on you and is giving you special treatment or not. I see now he takes all comers out of context and ignores what they say. So he is indeed an equal opportunity knob.

Anonymous said...

see cameron... you do have like-minded friends.
I could have quoted Mark 14:72 and neo would have seen the word he is so fixated on, sniggered and then said the same thing.

Cameron Campbell said...

"I was just checking to see whether neo has a crush on you and is giving you special treatment or not."

You've shattered my illusions... *sniffle*....

Neo Conservative said...

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"nonny-mouse, who has formed a special bond with cameron says... could have quoted Mark 14:72"

but instead you said... "So he seized and feasted upon your cock", which, of course, falls short of cameron's... "neo conservative stops sucking livestock cock long enough to mumble...

forsooth cameron... "verily you're a christian of the first water."

i just know you boys will cherish your new friendship.

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Anonymous said...

My latest wish is to be a fly on the wall when neoconartist goes shopping. Watching some poor sales clerk trying to help neocon, who cannot remain on topic and never responds to actual questions would be hilarious. I'd be surprised if neocon can complete any kind of commercial transaction without his minder.

Neo Conservative said...

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"nonny-mouse says... My latest wish is to hook up with cameron and continue this homo-erotic yip-yap"

yup... you guys were made for each other.

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Cameron Campbell said...

Ah.. so now we're gay, as if that were an insult outside of the playground.

Anonymous said...

Poor ole one trick neoconartist. Always the same restate and change the words trick.

But I suspect to those who know him, neoconartist's one trick shtick is like a dog walking on its hind legs. It is not done well, yet one is amazed to see it done at all.

Neo Conservative said...

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"cameron says... Ah.. so now we're gay"

lemme see, cameron... "'liar', 'liars and idiots', 'asshole of the first water', 'sucking livestock cock'"... you're sure somethin'.

but, hey... you and your new best pal just keep on goin'... it's been a pretty impressive performance so far.

you're even giving k-k-kevron a run for his money.

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KEvron said...

lol!

KEvron

Anonymous said...

I think someone has quite the fixation here...

Neo Conservative said...

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"how 'bout "cunt"? l-l-lol!"

Posted by not k-k-kevron to halls of macadamia at 12:07 AM, January 19, 2008"


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see, cameron... you're not as unique as you might imagine.

now you boys play nice.

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