12 April 2008

With health care like this...

Who needs enemies?

The last time I went to the Belleville General Emergency Room... I spent seven and a half hours sitting on my ass with a sick, fevered child.

Thank goodness, I wasn't having heart trouble...

The night before her fatal heart attack, Amanda Trujillo spent seven hours in a London hospital emergency room, complaining of a strong pain in her left arm as she waited for a doctor who never came.

"At that point, we figured it was not a heart attack, or even serious. Maybe it was just muscle pain," says Trujillo-Murillo.

"If anybody at the hospital thought it was serious, the doctor would have come by now."
(h/t reader rich)

But hey... that's just one inconsequential person, huh?

Dont'cha know Dalton & Georgie have much bigger fish to fry?
Ontario's Liberal government has paid out almost $1 billion to private companies to cover new hospital construction overruns, a coalition of community health organizations said Friday.

"But every single privatized P3 hospital is vastly over budget and every single one is late," she said.
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FROM THE COMMENTS:
"I am a physician. I work at both the patient care level and the hospital budget level. I tell you with no fear of contradiction that the system is unsustainable and will collapse in some way or another within 20 years.

Whether the cause of collapse will be the baby boomers finally hitting the ICUs, or a rash of costly infectious disease imported from outside the country (drug resistant TB, bird flu, etc) I can't say, but the system is going down."

"Count on it."
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6 comments:

Anonymous said...

I am glad you are making the connect to McLiar and Smitherperson.
Hosptals ER's are understaffed, and I just heard yesterday about the cut backs on nurse's in Toronto.(I work in health care so the story came down the tubes...haven't seen it in MSM yet)

Will they still try to blame Harris?

Neo Conservative said...

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"anon asks... Will they still try to blame Harris?"

why would they stop now?

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Anonymous said...

Blame is irrelevant. You can fault this government or that, but the fact is that the current healthcare system is simply unsustainable.

Aging population, increasingly costly treatments, and 90 year old patients with terminal illness kept alive for weeks and months in ICUs and acute care beds.

And all the while the public cries for more and more coverage for new drugs, new cancer treatments, new tests, even though the evidence that they make a difference is minimal (excluding your uncle's gardner's niece who was found to have a cancer using one of those new fangled PET scanners)

I am a physician. I work at both the patient care level and the hospital budget level. I tell you with no fear of contradiction that the system is unsustainable and will collapse in some way or another within 20 years. Whether the cause of collapse will be the baby boomers finally hitting the ICUs, or a rash of costly infectious disease imported from outside the country (drug resistant TB, bird flu, etc) I can't say, but the system is going down. Count on it.

Neo Conservative said...

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"anon says... I am a physician."

appreciate getting that insider perspective... i have a friend who is a level III medic in toronto... and he's been telling me the same thing for years.

scary stuff. it took us nearly seven years to find a family doctor out here... up till now we were at the mercy of the overburdened emergency room.

regarding blame though, i've just gotta say... we sure could have used that billion dollars in construction cost overruns the mcguinty government just pissed away.

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Anonymous said...

If no one has figured it out yet the problem is socialism. When something is perceived to be free the demand will be unlimited. When people don't pay for a service directly their is no accountability on the billing side either.

Anonymous said...

I agree that there is waste in the system, and to know that there is a billion dollars of waste in a 50 billion dollar system is quite reasonable given the way these things usually go.

However, the sad thing is that a billion is NOTHING when it comes to healtcare. You can spend a billion on one new class of drugs for heart disease, or on running two hospitals, or just repairing infrastructure issue in the big hospitals.

There is nowhere near enough "fat" in the system that if removed will permit a fix of the system. Our system was good for many years because we had lots of doctors (many who fled the NHS other British Empire countries were absolutely critical to building up our own health care system) who worked crazy hours all across Ontario. They are retiring or gone, replaced by younger "lifestyle" concerned physicians.

Further, the numbers of seniors are rising fast, both born here and being imported here from other countries as part of "family unification". They contribute zero taxes, but are incredibly expensive to look after. The system did not plan for this. But we keep bringing them in....

Public health care is a black hole of money into which any amount of dollars can be thrown, with no solution found. Until people accept that like food, shelter, and education, it is OK that some have better healthcare than others by paying for it, there will be no solution. People need to lose the purely political argument tha healtcare is not a fundamental right, there will be no solution.

Is food a fundamental right? Are we all eating the same foods? Is shelter a fundamental right? Do we live in the same houses? Yet, we are forced to all use the same healthcare system by the law of the land. That is just wrong.

The solution, in my opinion, is two tiered health care. A certain bare minimum that everyone can access, and the rest is pay as you go. Good one tier health care is a mtth, a political pathway to one tiered mediocre health care for all.

Those that can flee it, will flee it, but wouldn't it be better if those dollars (and physicians) did not flee to the US, but stayed in Canada?