Well... there's a real newsflash
Lemme see if I can dumb this down enough... for even the biggest under-achievers in the class.
Mexico is a corrupt, sweaty-balled, third world banana republic... and you shouldn't expect to encounter any semblance of Canadian democracy, or, more importantly... Canadian jurisprudence... if you're foolish enough to cross their borders.
-- EDMONTON -- Mexico has flatly rejected a request from Canada to release Brenda Martin, the Canadian woman imprisoned without trial for more than two years.The fact is, they don't really care about what you want, or what you think... and they especially don't respond to stupid bluster...
"I told him that if I get sentenced to 15 years and I have to serve half my time in prison in Canada I will stay here and kill myself, that's it, I am not going back to Canada to go to prison," Martin said.Now... if I was in a Mexican prison... I'm pretty sure I'd be willing to confess to killing JFK... shit... maybe all the Kennedys... to get my sorry ass back to Canada.
You worry about gettin' home... and you straighten out the rest of that shit at your leisure.
I guess Brenda Martin has some other ideas.
-- OTTAWA -- A Canadian woman imprisoned in a Mexican jail says a visit by a pair of Conservative MPs was nothing more than a "dog-and-pony show."Good luck to her.
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UPDATE: Yeah... no monkey business here... huh?
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LAST WORD: Uh, Brenda... you're losin' me here...
And apparently, the majority of Canadians.*
34 comments:
I'm guessing the all caring left would rather see her suffer in a Mexican jail for as long as possible. Can you imagine what the left would do if the Harper led Government were to have Brenda Martin freed tommorrow??? Good God they're already p*ss*ng their pants as it is. They would love nothing more than to use this woman as their own club to bash the Conservatives to a bloody pulp. As I said, the all caring looney left.
-- OTTAWA -- A Canadian woman imprisoned in a Mexican jail says a visit by a pair of Conservative MPs was nothing more than a "dog-and-pony show."
If that is her attitude, the ungrateful b*tch can sit in jail. She was there for ten years, stayed for another five years after her "employer" was arrested! That is the end of any sympathy I might had had for her.
It sounds like Brenda is believing all the foolish crap that Liberal MP's like Paul Martin have been feeding her - and now the Liberals have positioned her as their cheerleader, because Liberals know Canadian voters love people who appear to be victims. She got sucked in and she'll pay for it.
It is becoming blatantly obvious in my eyes that this whole thing has been directed and manufactured to benefit certain people.
Brenda Martin wants her get out of jail free card (funny how KS wanted his too and the Liberals were there to "take up the cause)
The Liberals want to smear the Tories - what better way to "use" the plight of people (dead or alive)to further their cause of getting back into power.
The MSM gets to have some excitement and some "trips" to a warm locale to interview anyone they can find to further the "bad Tory " story.
This whole thing stinks and I think we have been HAD...
Mexico is a good place for a vacation 99% of the time, but you gamble on that 1%.
If you get involved with the medical or legal establishment in any way while you're there - be prepared to spend large sums of money or end up like her.
Looks like this was Lisa La Phlegm's little project...I hope it flies in her face.
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i haven't really been following this, but the thing that jumps out is that... in all the talk about mexican jails... nobody really seems to care whether or not she is actually innocent.
would that make a difference here?
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The thing is, if Brenda was a Muslim or a Sikh, or had been born in another country and was a paper "Canadian", the government would be falling all over itself to get her out. If she were Taliban or Al-Qaeda, they'd be weepign in their tea over her plight. But she's white and was born in Canada, so she can rot, for all they care. All the parties are guilty of this kind of crap.
http://spiritwolfshowl.blogspot.com/
You raise a good question Neo.
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"Spirit Wolf said... if Brenda was a Muslim or a Sikh, or had been born in another country..."
case in point... william sampson.... and maher arar.
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WRT her innocence:
ET at SDA has done a lot of investigating, and has presented 'the rest of the story' in the comments section.
Remember when journalists used to do investigative journalism?
No.
Neo, I would guess that the issue is not innocence or guilt.
At least not anymore.
If Ms. Martin had not launched a consitutional challenge this case would have (likely) been disposed of long before now.
When she was arrested, the Canadian Embassy suggested 4 different attorneys to help her, she rejected all of them.
Seems to me that this is a text book case in how not to act while in a foreign country.
First she rejects the help of the Canadian embassy, now she is crying for help.
-Lee-
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"anon says... Seems to me that this is a text book case in how not to act while in a foreign country."
the reporting is... this woman has been in mexico, illegally... for the last decade.
apparently, she has also burned through 4 lawyers, which the mexican authorities say is the real reason for the delay... and up until recently, she refused to have her case severed off from the guys charged in the fraud.
now, when the conservatives send representatives to plead her case with the mexican government, she calls it "a dog and pony show."
draw your own conclusions from all that.
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Spirit Wolf
"Paper Canadian" - What's that?
Sounds like another way of denigrating more recent immigrants to me.
Remember some of us worked harder than those born here without a vote until we were able to try for citizenship. We paid money so that you born-here types could spend it without asking us how.
And now we have to put up with this " you're a newcomer" crap.
I will leave it there as this is someone else's site but I reckon you'll know how I feel about your attitude.
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"harebell asks... "Paper Canadian" - What's that?"
a paper canadian is someone like, for instance, the various members of the infamous khadr clan of toronto... who, after obtaining canadian citizenship, head off to the third world to play at jihad... and then, when they get their balls caught in the wringer... head back here to enjoy the safety... and overburdened health care system of canada.
that clear enough?
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So neo, thanks for answering for wolf
Conrad Black would be an example of that then.
After all he messed up abroad and wants to come back when he is in the poop.
Or does it only apply to non-whites and non-xtians. (I would have added non-conservatives, but the vast majority of muslim immigrants are extremely conservative in nature.)
Just trying to establish what the caste system is here in the country that I have just become a citizen of. After all I don't want to be getting above my station.
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"harebell says... I don't want to be getting above my station."
hmmm... you seem a little confused about how things work here. is there a caste system where you come from?
as for conrad black, he gave up his canadian citizenship, didn't he? he wouldn't fall into the same category as the khadrs... who rejected canadian values to go wage jihad... then used canada as a safe haven when they got their terrorist asses in the soup.
perhaps you could answer a question for me... if you actually suspect canada is such a terrible place to live... why did you choose to come here and become a citizen?
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Canada is not a terrible place to live, far from it.
What pisses me of is the whining from those that live here already.You are lucky enough to live in an amazing country. Your major problem is that most of you don't see that and resent newcomers because we do.
The big problems with the locals is that they resent anybody who comes here and makes a decent fist of it..Why because they feel it shows them up for the entitled bastards that they are.
Why is it that I still get those who employed me in my first years here calling me to see if I want to work for them? And when I speak to them they are not interested in 2nd, 3rd and 4th generation Canadians who were born here?
My view is that "Paper Canadians" appreciate what they have and those who were born here have a huge sense of entitlement and that breeds resentment and hatred.
As for the caste thing, you clearly have never been referred to as an "accent", and while that is not a bad slur it still lets you know where you belong. Add to that re-qualifying and paying professional institutions to stamp your qualifications while appreciating you are overqualified and you have a glimpse of an idea of the social hurdles that contribute to an impression of a caste system that I referred to.
Once more I am happier here than I ever have been if only the whining of the entitled was muted a bit more it would be perfect.
PS You italicised
"if you actually suspect canada is such a terrible place to live..."
That usually means it was taken from a quote.
I never said that, you put those words into my mouth. Don't do that it is dishonest.
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"harebell says... The big problems with the locals is that they resent anybody who comes here and makes a decent fist of it -- it shows them up for the entitled bastards that they are."
there's a direct quote... and it's fairly obvious who is filled with resentment.
that's awfully nice that people are constantly hounding you to work for them. i guess that didn't happen in... where did you say you were from originally?
oh, that's right... you didn't.
you were too busy telling us how lazy and ungrateful canadians are. you think it's possible your attitude is throwing up a few of the "social hurdles" you refer to?
of course not, huh?
it's those damn canadians.
oh yeah, one last thing. the term paper canadians refers to people like the khadrs, or say, the pregnant hong kong chinese women who flocked to canada just for the birth, so their kids would have a get out of jail free card... when things eventually went sideways back home.
my parents were immigrants... who committed to their new land and never looked back.
a paper canadian is someone who uses citizenship as a safety net.
who do you think is the better citizen?
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wow you are quick on the draw aren't you.
nice sidestepping of the issues I raised, why answer when you can shout louder.
No resentment intended, in fact I believe the general tone of my reply is that the only folk I hear complaining in Canada is those that were born here.
Those of us fortunate to come here and become citizens love it and get on with life and improving the situation.
There are hurdles we have to leap that born-heres don't, but those can be overcome and frequently are.
Immigrants like me seem to love to live our lives here, while a lot of the stodgy old buffers seem to have forgotten how because they are spending all that "living time" trying to prevent others from doing so.
I find the whining from those who should be living the most... well quite sad.
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harebell whines... nice sidestepping of the issues I raised"
geez... you mean like you did... when I commented....
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"that's awfully nice that people are constantly hounding you to work for them. i guess that didn't happen in... where did you say you were from originally?"
"oh, that's right... you didn't."
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why would you think... in your wildest dreams... that i would consider myself... any more accountable to you.
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a little postscript on the exchange above with our latest fan... hairball.
at hairball's blog, he actually announces that he is going to go out and troll conservative sites...
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"Just for the hell of it -- I’m about to embark on some snarky comments on the blogs of the Canadian right."
Posted on 23 February 2008 by harebell
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now hairy... you seem to be confusing "snark" with smart. trust me... they are 2 entirely different animals. announcing your intent to be an obnoxious troll is similarly misguided.
in canada, we call this type of behaviour, "being a total dick".
maybe you should reconsider using this guy as your role model.
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hairball throws out this nugget...
"my contribution is pretty much next to zero."
heh heh(snort)...you said it hairball, not me.
yup I did say that but I really didn't think this was snarky.
In fact I thought it was actually well reasoned. The reason why everything is kinda vague on the blog outline is due to the exchanges that I notice another blogging tory called R Evans has with those he disagrees with.
Call me old fashioned but I'd rather not "put myself out there" with strange folks like that about.
As for the "dick" thing, of course you are entitled to your opinion but the reason why that was put in was because it seems any contra comment is viewed as "snark" by the right, so I was assuming anything I said would be viewed as snark... mm irony.. no? I guess this exchange kinda illustrates that.
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"hairball says... yup I did say that but I really didn't think this was snarky."
see hb... to an observer, that sort of linguistic gymnastics reads like... "yes officer, I did shoot him but I really didn't think this was murder."
how about, "any contra comment is viewed as 'snark' by the right"?
is that just another example of you being "old fashioned"?
similarly, your observation that canada would be a great place to live... except for all the native-born canadians... will likely cause you a few of those "social hurdles" you refer to earlier.
perhaps, my friend, we are not understanding each other because of some cultural divide.
where is it, you are assiduously not saying, you are originally from?
let's try understand each other better.
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Strange how you didn't mention that my reticence to put more of myself out there because of the antics of some in the blogosphere might actually have some relevance.
However I think you grossly miss represent me by stating "ALL the locals", my beef is with those who seem to think that that their reason for living is to stop anything that might threaten their rose tinted view of how Canada should be rather than the wonderful place it is.
The folk with whom I have been acquainted in my time in this Great Land have not been of the "dufferish, I remember the good old days kind", I met those sad individuals on line. Maybe because the real world is.. mmm I dunno real!
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"hairball says... However I think you grossly miss represent me by stating "ALL the locals"..."
i guess you mean 'misrepresent' here... but, fair enough... lets just stick with your words... verbatim...
"What pisses me of is the whining from those that live here already."
"The big problems with the locals is that they resent anybody who comes here and makes a decent fist of it..Why because they feel it shows them up for the entitled bastards that they are."
"Those who were born here have a huge sense of entitlement and that breeds resentment and hatred."
"I believe the general tone of my reply is that the only folk I hear complaining in Canada is those that were born here."
sounds a tetch cranky to me, especially that bit about 'entitled bastards'... you know what i mean?
and hairy, you're still being awfully elusive about where 'back home' is.
i'm curious... why is that?
i mean, let's try bridge that cultural divide... and get to know each other a little.
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Tetchy.. mmm
yup maybe I am, this is a wonderful place yet all I hear from the more dufferish is how bad it is and how it's becoming worse.
Why am I the one saying how wonderful Canada is while you question my spelling and try and probe into my background. Yup the biggest complainers about Canada today are those who were born here, me I love this place.
At the risk of being repetitious I love this place and the reason why I am hesitant to post any info about myself is because of the antics of some of the right wingers who frequent these sites.
You mean R Evans isn't someone to be worried about? How many others are there out there?
I dunno about you, but those guys are weird.. or have you something that helps explain their strange behaviour?
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"hairball says... I am hesitant to post any info about myself is because of the antics of some of the right wingers who frequent these sites"
so, now you want to change the channel to unspecified right-wing antics?
funny, that.
curious that you don't have a problem with whining and complaining about your adopted land, or more specifically its boorish, unkind inhabitants... while refusing to even mention where it is you fled, er... emigrated from.
it's important not to say anything at all... because secret agent r. evans will track you down?
puh-leeese.
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Charles Rusnell of the Edmonton Journal in different stories as well as in an interview with Charles Adler on Tuesday afternoon has broken the news that Brenda Martin categorically denies that she was asked for a half million dollar bribe or any bribe as carried in the Canadian Press story, attributed to the convicted felon Alyn Waage.
Dan McTeague in a radio interview continues to float the half million dollar bribe story, because it fits his political agenda and proves that he is not interested in the truth. He has been in contact with Brenda, and he has also worked with Charles Rusnell, so he knows better and knows the truth. He is now in essence calling Brenda Martin a liar, in his clumsy attempt to try and incriminate the Canadian government of mismanagement of the Martin file. How low can he stoop when we have this evidence that he is prepared to use Brenda Martin's plight to try and score cheap political points. Will the Brenda Martin team give this unscrupulous and unprincipled politician the boot?
In attempting to demontrate that Dan McTeague did in fact deliberately choose to obfuscate and continue to contradict Brenda Martin and prop up Waage's story that Martin said she was asked for a 500,000 bribe I searched the net.
One of the Dan McTeague interviews that I was able to track down can be found in the vault of 940Montreal.com at approx. 12:40 on Tuesday Mar.25. It is on the Aphrodite Salas Show interview with McTeague.
He makes reference to the half million dollar bribe and states Martin will "not able to pay a bribe to get herself out" and also a Mexican official will not release Martin "until he is paid a half million dollars"
He also manages to get in his partisan political shots,one of which amongst others he says "Guergis did nothing". McTeague may find the slur comforting to his warped mind, there is no doubt that Guergis has done a lot work on this file and although Martin has complained that she didn't meet personally with her in Mexico, but for McTeague to flat out say "Guergis did nothing" is patently unfair and an outright lie - only one of many by Dan McTeague.
I have received the following note from one of the MP's
We have raised her case numerous times at the highest levels to the Mexican government, up to and including the President of Mexico. In January 2008, Secretary of State Guergis travelled to Mexico to address a number of consular matters. She met with Mexico's Attorney General, Foreign Minister and Head of the Mexican Human Rights Commission in addition to thirteen other Federal, State and local officials. In each instance, she raised Ms. Martin's case and made it clear that Canada expects justice for Ms. Martin. We have made it clear to Mexican authorities that the various delays in her court proceedings are unacceptable.
Being the coward that he is he also makes references to Prime Minister Harper knowing full well that he won't be contradicted about any mis-statements because Harper is not present to challenge. Furthermore only a unscrupulous politician like Dan McTeague would want to take advantage and use Debra Martin's plight for possible political gain.
aphrodite salas is a joke
cant stand that show
(is she really that stupid in real life?)
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