24 January 2008

Hey. Dalton...

Tell me more about how you're fixing the health care system...

Jean Keegan spent one whole day last week sitting in a city medical clinic for 40 pills.

Keegan, 88, said there were other ways she could have spent her day but without a family physician and in need of prescriptions - which help her deal with an undiagnosed pain in her right side - she had no other choice.
My personal record down at Belleville General Emergency... is seven and a half hours with a sick, fevered child.

Maybe if Health Minister Smitherman can take a few moments from his campaign championing gay organ donors... he could see about getting us a few more doctors?

Pretty please.

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FROM THE COMMENTS:
"Who does George Smitherman represent"?
And Crazymamma reminds OCAP boy... it ain't a socialist paradise just yet...
Do you care what car choice I make when buying? Do you have a right to care? Do you care where I spend my money for my holidays? Do you have a right to say where I can shop for groceries? Do you have a right to say who supplies my undergarments?

I have a right to shop Walmart or Victoria's Secret, why should Health care be any different?

It's none of your freaking business how I spend my money on any service that is LEGAL in CANADA.
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RELATED: I'm just glad the TDSB...

Has all that surplus cash just lying around.
The Toronto District School Board is set to spend at least $820,000 to help black students succeed -- with a plan that includes setting up an Africentric alternative school.

Less than a week before a special meeting where trustees will vote on creating the controversial school, the board released a report breaking down costs of four proposals aimed at black students.
Funny, though... seems not everybody is inside the tent here...
Trustee Josh Matlow told the Sun trustees are increasingly divided on the controversial issue and the vote will be close.

He said creating a black-focused school would lead to student segregation and tabled his own proposal as an alternative to the Africentric approach.
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27 comments:

Anonymous said...

Once we have black schools how long before the cries for publicly funded red, yellow, brown, white, etc. schools begin?

Robert Mugabwe said...

If they are really concerned about Afri-centric education perhaps we could ship the students to Kenya or Zimbabwe. There is no point in half measures in education - lets do it right!

Anonymous said...

Do you think Ms. Keegan would be better looked after with a private system? Since she spent the day in a public clinic, I'm guessing she couldn't afford the pay-per-view system championed by the fun-loving right.

Crazymamma said...

We don't have enough Doctors in Canada because the system will not let them make enough money in a reasonable amount of time. My Family Doctor just set up his practice in Texas where he will work many less hours for approximately the same amount of cash. If he works just a few more hours, still less then currently in Canada, he will be able to pay off all his school debt in almost no time.

What will he do with all his spare time? Be with his family, he tells me. More power to him. Its about time we took Doctor's needs into consideration instead of just looking at them as an expenditure on the balance sheet.

Dr. Brian Day the current President of the CMA is a highly respected specialist in his field. He was not getting enough hours in the operating room to keep his qualifications. The government wouldn't fund more operating time. He proposed that he be able to rent empty operating rooms and offer his services privately. Shocker he was denied this because it would set up a two tier system. They wouldn't allow him to set up his own business, operating rooms.

Time to change a few things here in good Ole Ontario/Canada.

Anonymous said...

We have such bright people running our political systems. First the conservatives propose to have schools separated by religion, now the TDSB proposes to have them separated by Race, whats next by gender? Wow , our school systems is becoming a zoo, with every kid separated by demographic. Lions from tigers, gorillas from apes, children from children. Wont make a difference though when they meet on the streets...

we have real leadership in this country thats for sure.....

Anonymous said...

to Crazymamma,

O yes, thats it. the needs of the doctors is what important. Last time i checked i thought doctors were in practice to help others. Guess i was wrong.

We can see how great the US system works. Stupid country is in a recession because they messed up every industry in their economy, from housing to health.

The whole country is broke, with credit card debts growing, mortgages bouncing, a massive trade deficit, Fiscal debt, and this is a model for Canada.

45% of the revenue generated by the medical industry in the USA goes to Private insurance companies not the Medical providers.

Thats billions of dollars going to Shareholders. Real efficient.

Instead of improving our system we worry about destroying it and implementing a new one. Maybe if citizens in this country would be Canadian and not American, and provided 100% of support towards our public system, instead of stimulating such debate, concentration can be placed on how to provide better services to the people in need, instead of what to privatize.

Waiting 8 hours for FREE treatment is better then getting immediate relief and having to work the rest of your life to pay for the Bill.

being sick in the US, is a death sentence. Death to a person's ability to live free from debt.

Canadians want this? I'd rather wait 20 hours to receive treatment than having to pay 1,000s of dollars, Health is a right not a luxury!

not all of us are rich, and can afford to pay for medical costs like cancer treatments or heart surgeries, and some cant even afford to retire.

Lets start looking domestically for solutions to Canada's problems, at let the US deal with their own.

Neo Conservative said...

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"anon asks... Do you think Ms. Keegan would be better looked after"

an 88 year old woman spends 8 hours sitting in a room full of sick people... and you think things can get much worse for her?

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Joanne (True Blue) said...

Re: Smitherman - Check this out.

Neo Conservative said...

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"anon trots out... First the conservatives propose to have schools separated by religion"

oh good grief, you simpleton... you fell for mcslippery's bullshit.

the only ethical position here is... fund one public system... or fund 'em all.

the reality is... we currently have separate religious schools that don't require ontario qualified teachers... or have to meet a provincial curriculum.

what tory proposed would have made the teachers and curriculum meet ontario standards.

the reality is, that dalton... whose kids attend catholic schools and whose wife is a catholic school teacher... was only interested in continuing funding for one religious system.

if you voted for mcguinty... you're pushing the very thing you claim to be worried about... "schools separated by religion.

chew on that for awhile.

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Neo Conservative said...

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"anon says... Waiting 8 hours for FREE treatment is better"

you don't get it... we're still on the downhill slope... an 8 hour weight is the new normal... the whole freakin' system is imploding.

you think rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic is some sort of a solution?

good grief.

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Anonymous said...

your right,

"you don't get it... we're still on the downhill slope... an 8 hour weight is the new normal... the whole freakin' system is imploding."

your right, but the "implosion" was caused by massive cut back from a certain someone. Now that there is a bloody hole in the ship, we criticize system saying it no longer works.

The ship is sinking - because we blew a massive hole in its hull.

Neo Conservative said...

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"anon says... we blew a massive hole in its hull."

yeah... no kidding.

"Ontario's Liberal government has paid out almost $1 billion to private companies to cover new hospital construction overruns, a coalition of community health organizations said Friday."

"This has to be Dalton McGuinty's most expensive broken promise from the last election," Dora Jeffries, co-chair of the Ontario Health Coalition (OHC) said in a statement.

"The whole justification for privatization was that P3s supposedly came in "on time" and "in budget."

thank you premier mcslippery.

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Anonymous said...

But aren't New open hospitals better then closed ones?

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/314/7085/919/m

Is it not better to build hospitals P3s or whatever, then to go without service.

Regardless, the budget is balanced. If this was a private system, patients would be paying for hospitals. This way everyone has access, so long as they can dial 911.

Anonymous said...

"the reality is... we currently have separate religious schools that don't require ontario qualified teachers... or have to meet a provincial curriculum.

what tory proposed would have made the teachers and curriculum meet ontario standards."

Who cares. you want standards. send them to a public school.

Neo Conservative said...

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"anon says but, but, but"

see, the thing is... a billion here, a billion there... pretty soon we're talkin' serious fiberal baksheesh.

a billion dollars in cost overruns... how many doctors, nurses and diagnostic equipment would that pay for anyway?

guess we'll never know, huh?

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Neo Conservative said...

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"anon asks... Who cares?"

not the "where's my madrassa" crowd... that's for sure.

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Crazymamma said...

Says Anonymous,

"O yes, thats it. the needs of the doctors is what important. Last time i checked i thought doctors were in practice to help others. Guess i was wrong."

Oh grow up why don;t you? If a
large part of the problem is that we make it too difficult for them to make a decent living, they will find a place that will. Call it human nature. If the government won't allow them the chance to USE their skills to help patents I expect they will find a place that will.

Yup the US sucks so much they have some 12 to 20 MILLION illegals too stupid to know that they are jumping on a sinking cess pool.

Tell me why should you give a rat's behind if I wish to spend my hard earned $$$ to get my sick child into the Doctor's office ASAP? I would rather pay the 50 then sit with that sick child for 8 hours exposing them to God knows what else is floating around in that room?

Do you care what car choice I make when buying? Do you have a right to care? Do you care where I spend my money for my holidays? Do you have a right to say where I can shop for groceries? Do you have a right to say who supplies my undergarments? I have a right to shop Walmart or Victoria's Secret, why should Health care be any different? Its none of your freaking business how I spend my money on any service that is LEGAL in CANADA,

Anonymous said...

I dont give a rat's behind what you spend your money on. you can do whatever you want. I mean it's a free country, free to consume as much as you want. I don't care where you spend you money, but i would care if the government would FORCE me to pay for my health care.

how is that fair to more than half the population that lets say can't buy their way to better health care....if you have a population that can't afford health care, you have people that are ill for longer and spreading their illnesses...no?

You know what i love the most, is that all these conservatives think than can buy their way to everything, but in canada, thank god, they dont have that luxury for health care. you know why? because its a right not a commodity.

Last time i checked service was based on medical importance, and just cause you have the money doesnt mean your important, and i guess that pisses you off. You cant buy your way through the line, like you can do every where else.

so tough shit, get in line!

I care because Once two-tiered comes to Canada, the quality of services will deteriorate for the poor majority. not all of us can pay for services to help our children.

how does that benefit anyone? two -tiered system, is a selfish system. in my opinion. that is the problem with people...they only care about themselves, rather than the rest of society.

Neo Conservative said...

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"anony-bot whines... Last time i checked i thought doctors were in practice to help others. Guess i was wrong."

hey, mama teresa's boy... head on down to cuba and do some hard time in your supposed socialist workers paradise... then come back and lecture us on "what you thought".

or try that "in practice to help others" horseshit out on your plumber the next time you need your sewage line cleared.

that's why it's called "capitalism" and not "warm, huggy, fuzzy bunny-ism".

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Neo Conservative said...

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"anon snarls... if the government would FORCE me to pay for my health care"

hey ocap boy... you actually think health care is free? think about it... someone has to pay for the doctors, nurses and the big buildings they work in.

that somebody is joe lunchbucket... aka the canadian taxpayer.

and here in ontario... premier mcslippery just slammed everybody with a thousand dollar surcharge on top of that.

now, if you're on employment assistance, or welfare... i guess you get a free pass... so maybe that's where you get the idea of free anything.

even dalton's "free crackpipes for ottawa junkies" cost almost 300,000 taxpayer bucks.

now, if you or anybody else in your family ever gets... say, cancer... be sure to come back and tell us about the 3 month wait to get into a chemotherapy regime.

we'll see how you feel about a fee for services system then.

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Crazymamma said...

Anonymous dear you are the Lefty's dream voter, what I call the Linda Lovelace of voters, you'd swallow any propaganda they drill into you. No question.

Just where did the lovely Belinda go for her treatment when she was diagnosed with Breast Cancer? Did she obediently wait the 16, 18 weeks for treatment in Canada? Nope poor sweetie abandoned her principles and flew to the states for IMMEDIATE treatment. Now lets see when poor dear Jack Layton was suffering from a hernia did he wait? Not a chance, checked himself into PRIVATE clinic and had it taken care of. Jean has a twinge on the golf course and next day he has heart surgery, think that is the average Commrade's waiting time? But you be happy swallowing what is good for the little people, and continue following the " Don't do as I do, Do as I say" Folks. They'll be happy to keep you poor and sick waiting for SHANGRILALALALALALA.

Anonymous said...

hey crazymamma,
money talks, so long as you have, it is well. but the rich only represent 2% of the population.

for NEO-Con:

no responses to my points. i like it.

Firstly, As per WHO:

For the UsA
Life expectancy at birth m/f (years): 75/80

Healthy life expectancy at birth m/f (years, 2002): 67/71

Probability of dying under five (per 1 000 live births): 8

Probability of dying between 15 and 60 years m/f (per 1 000 population): 137/81

Total expenditure on health per capita (Intl $, 2004): 6,096

Total expenditure on health as % of GDP (2004): 15.4

Cuba:

Life expectancy at birth m/f (years): 75/79

Healthy life expectancy at birth m/f (years, 2002): 67/70

Probability of dying under five (per 1 000 live births): 7

Probability of dying between 15 and 60 years m/f (per 1 000 population): 128/83

Total expenditure on health per capita (Intl $, 2004): 229

Total expenditure on health as % of GDP (2004): 6.3

what a difference in figures. Especially the total expenditure on health.
http://www.who.int/countries/usa/en/
http://www.who.int/countries/cub/en/
there are my sources.

secondly according to you, capitalism means paying for your health care, well not according to the majority of the developed world. USA is only equal to Africa and East Asia when it comes to privatized health care systems

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c5/WORLDHEALTH2.png

so if you ask me, what you are describing is not capitalism, but AMERICANISM.

When people speak about the right to health care, they are communists. You tell them to go to Cuba, i tell you to go live in the USA, and while your there rip up your Canadian Citizenship, because Canadian you are not.

When are you conservatives going to realize that trickle down economics doesn't work. That the working poor cannot be continuously squeezed like they are being in the US. Aggregate demand is going to collapse and we will soon be in a recession, Just like the last time a Conservative government was in power. It will be nice that next year we will be in fiscal debt after so many years of surpluses.

i have made my points several times, and you ignore them. But its ok, go ahead its your turn now. please continue with your childish name calling...

Neo Conservative said...

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"anon says... secondly according to you, capitalism means paying for your health care"

i'd say something more like, "capitalism means having the option of paying for a medical service... rather than rotting away in the ruins of our imploding health care system."

just like zillionaire turncoat buh-linda... and sainted lefty icon taliban jack.

free and democratic societies have "options"... socialist dictatorships most decidedly do not.

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surgeon general said...

Let's not forget Buzzboy Hargrove rushing the queue setting a new speed record to have his knee mri'd and operated on...the politiburo of Canada...sharing and caring your pain, bwahahaaa...

Anonymous said...

free and democratic societies have "options"... socialist dictatorships most decidedly do not.

by your definition then, canada, and most of europe, are socialist dictatorships because they have public health care?

wow... exaggerate more please

crazymamma said...

I have to agree Health care is a right, the supreme court of Quebec has agreed that Speedy access to Health care is a right.

Does the waiting period of 1 to 1 1/2 yrs for a knee or hip replacement seem to be speedy access for this service? What about the right to some quality of life? Their pain is your gain? We got the surgeons and empty operating rooms waiting, but the one tier system says. nope not going to happen. Oh what the heck maybe they'll croak before their turn at the lottery wheel comes.

Ever put your little thinking cap on and wonder if: those that could pay did, then the line up for government funded surgery would be shorter? Those that couldn't afford extra insurance would actually get treatment in a more timely fashion?

Neo Conservative said...

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"anon twisting and gyrating claims... by your definition then, canada..."

not at all, my slippery comrade.

taliban jack had his surgery at the "private"... and i should point out... world famous shouldice clinic. i had arthroscopic surgery on my knee at a "private" hospital in don mills... and ohip picked up the tab.

we currently have options that people like yourself would apparently choose to ignore.

so nonny... read this part slowly.

taking away all the options... medical, political or otherwise... is what will turn canada into a socialist dictatorship.

again... what i'm saying is, provide options... don't mindlessly take them off the table.

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