26 December 2007

Less activism... more parenting

Now, I'm no actuary, but if... in a city of 2 million people, two of your children are murdered, in totally separate incidents... you might want to take a closer look at your parenting strategy...

Regent Park gunshot victim Karim Rashid Ata-Ayi is the second son Toronto activist Patricia Wynters has lost to gun violence and police are working overtime to put his killer in handcuffs.

Police said Ata-Ayi is well known to them and was charged in connection with an August 2000 shooting at a Regent Park barbecue and in the shooting of 16-year-old youth.
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FROM THE COMMENTS:
"Let's all calm down and wait for the Star to tell us what to think and who to blame."
and...
"it takes a village to raise a child when the parents refuse to do it - that's why we have 'corrections canada'"
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LAST WORD: Everybody relax... there's a proclamation

Save us... oh wise and wonderful Star.
"This day is going to help me personally start my journey of healing knowing there are other people who care and knowing that we are taking the initiatives to help to eradicate the ulcer of gun violence in our community," Wynter told the Etobicoke Guardian in 2004 after Mayor David Miller proclaimed a day of non-violence in Toronto.
Obviously we're gonna need a little more proclaiming.


29 comments:

Raphael Alexander said...

Or simply move from Regant Park. No matter your income you should be able to find a place to live which is safe for your family.

Neo Conservative said...

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raphael... apparently this guy didn't live there... rather, he made a conscious choice to be a frequent flyer.

perhaps his presence there was more business related... than personal. in any case, he obviously wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.

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Anonymous said...

Arggh! No doubt she will blame it on the “system”, and “discrimination”, and ‘lack of attention to the problem just because it’s blacks dying”. But seriously… There are a million parents in the city and they have several million kids, and significant minority are black, and they are dropping like flies due to gun crime. Regent Park is a hard place, but many thousands of people live there. It is probably NOT a harder place than Jane-Finch. But one “activitist” manages to lose two sons. How many does she have? Who supports them? Are the fathers around??

We have created this ridiculous society of ours where no one has to accept blame or responsibility. It’s Mrs. Winters who is to blame for choices she made – sexual partners, children, living, job etc. Every adult is faced with those choice. 99.99%, and only rich whites, somehow manage to have not one but two children killed by gun crime.

It is the culture of home and on TV violence, early sex, absent parenting, lack of respect for teachers, for property, for the law, and ultimately for human life that cause these deaths.

Anonymous said...

Sorry. In 2nd paragraph above, I meant " NOT " only rich whites...

Crazymamma said...

I'm thinking maybe if two of your sons are killed in gun violence and one of them is suspected of participating in two incidences that lead to death of others, you might be allowing your kids to be raised by gangs and not yourself.

I don't know but if I suspected my kids were involved in a gang I might be tempted to move to outer Mongolia if I had to in order to give them a chance at a life free of gang influences.

Anonymous said...

You are all being way too truthful and logical about this. Let's all calm down and wait for the Star to tell us what to think and who to blame . . .

Neo Conservative said...

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""live by the sword..."

this guy made a choice.

and mom... well, let's face it... she's the one that should have been informing those choices.

two of your children shot dead... unfreakin-believable.

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mr.g said...

Before Political Correctness we would have called her an "unfit mother",but now we call them a "community activist".

disillusion said...

Progressives call that progress.

KEvron said...

"'live by the sword...'

this guy made a choice."


let's leave lane watkins out of this....

KEvron

KEvron said...

"Progressives call that progress."

citations, please.

KEvron

KEvron said...

damn! i hate when i do that!

KEvron

Andrew E said...

I immediately saw the connection between this Black activist woman and her poor parenting (her son was "someone police consider to have engaged in a "criminal, high-risk lifestyle.") and Julia Farquharson.
She's the anti-gun, Black activist (coincidentally, also a member and spokesperson for United Mothers Opposing Violence Everywhere ) whose son Segun was killed gangland style in 2001, and whose youngest son "Kadafi" (!!!) was arrested in April 2006 with 2 sawed off rifles in his pants - both of which were duly registered, of course, and sawed off only to 18.5" - and drugs in his room.
Less immediate was my recollection of murdered 14 year old Jordan Manners, whose sister Necole Small was arrested in raids of known Driftwood Crips members houses 3 weeks after he was killed.... and charged with possession of firearms.

Patrick Ross said...

Neo, if you'd paid attention a little more closely to this story, you would have found out that Karim Rashid Ata-Ayi was gunned down outside a meeting for United Mothers Against Violence Everywhere (UMOVE).

Perhaps he had been involved in violence in the past. This is far from immaterial.

That being said, he has apparently been working with organizations with the stated goal of quelling such violence. I would suggest he evidently recognized the error of his ways, and was working toward turning the tide of street violence. To simply write his death off as "reaping what he sowed", or his mother's grief to "bad parenting", is atrocious.

She, herself, was working against the kind of violence her two sons purportedly participated in, and apparently managed to convince her son Karim to join her.

Frankly, Neo, I would have expected better from you than this. I've learned to expect it from certain other people who won't be named, but not from you.

I hope you can find it in yourself to apologize to Patricia Wynters. Don't be a cynic.

nitram said...

"citations please"

you've been duly cited...and then some.

damn! i luv when i do that.

NITram

syncrodox said...

neo

Holy shit!

Batman on the last thread and now Robin is hanging here!

Nicely done Kevster. While you aren't R/T, you do bring profound pustules of persistent pacifist piffle to your quiffle.

P.R.

If your telling of the circumstances is correct, than it appears to be a matter of too few, too little, too late.

On the other hand the time lines associated with the various arrests and subsequent charges is a likely indication of the real story here.

Starting in 2000 and following the chronology would be interesting.

A case study of sorts.

More info required.

Syncro

Neo Conservative said...

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"patrick ross says... She, herself, was working against the kind of violence her two sons purportedly participated in..."

sorry, patrick... i'd love to know more about what you're referring to... it's certainly not what i've read thus far.

and unfortunately, simply attending the umove christmas party with mom... doesn't wash away all of this kids sins. the cops have said he was a regular in the area and that he was well known to them.

i'm not sure what your issue is here... the sum total of what i said is... "but if... in a city of 2 million people, two of your children are murdered, in totally separate incidents... you might want to take a closer look at your parenting strategy"... and i suspect any reasonable parent would wholeheartedly agree with that.

in truth... with this kid's apparently violent history... and his brother's violent end... i suspect even his mother isn't too surprised at what happened here.

here's my question to you.... do you think ms. wynters would have tried a different parenting strategy when these boys were growing up... if she had thought it could have changed how things turned out.

well, patrick... call me wacky... but i suspect she would have.

of course, it's a free country and you are entitled to your opinion... as i trust i am entitled to mine.

if you wanna climb on board with canadian cecilia that is also your inalienable right.

i just don't think i could stand the smell.

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Neo Conservative said...

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the best part of the all too predictable leftbot response is how, in the absence of fact, they just reach for the outrageous troll... the last refuge of the feebleminded.

oops, i forgot... lol, lol, lol...

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Patrick Ross said...

"sorry, patrick... i'd love to know more about what you're referring to... it's certainly not what i've read thus far."

So, you labelled Patricia Wynters an "activist" without bothering to look into what kind of activism she's been involved in?

Precisely what else would you suggest that an organization like United Mothers Against Violence Everywhere does?

"and unfortunately, simply attending the umove christmas party with mom... doesn't wash away all of this kids sins. the cops have said he was a regular in the area and that he was well known to them."

He would be well known to them having been involved in a previous shooting, which by all accounts, took place up to four years ago.

"i'm not sure what your issue is here... the sum total of what i said is... "but if... in a city of 2 million people, two of your children are murdered, in totally separate incidents... you might want to take a closer look at your parenting strategy"... and i suspect any reasonable parent would wholeheartedly agree with that.

in truth... with this kid's apparently violent history... and his brother's violent end... i suspect even his mother isn't too surprised at what happened here.

here's my question to you.... do you think ms. wynters would have tried a different parenting strategy when these boys were growing up... if she had thought it could have changed how things turned out.

well, patrick... call me wacky... but i suspect she would have.
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Hindsight is 20/20, Neo. I'm sure you, personally, would do a lot of things differently given the opportunity. I'll bet your parents would, as well.

I'd ask you what you, yourself, are doing to prevent street violence, but I'd suspect that your post makes the answer to that question self-evident: evidently, nothing.

"of course, it's a free country and you are entitled to your opinion... as i trust i am entitled to mine.

if you wanna climb on board with canadian cecilia that is also your inalienable right.

i just don't think i could stand the smell.
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You've already climbed aboard with him, Neo, and you're doing it by your own choice.

Neo Conservative said...

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"patrick ross... blah, blah, blah"

sure patrick... you go ahead and compare this to what canadian cecilia said to the mother of dead canadian soldier... lane watkins.

you really think it's the same thing? i bet lane watkins buddies wouldn't think so.

btw... showing up at a carefully choreographed media event... after a rather conspicuous absence... hardly makes you mother theresa... "After her initial involvement, Wynter has backed away from UMOVE while Shephard remains a driving force."

your "rabble-babble" is simply a long-winded, ill-reasoned, overly melodramatic troll... that, i suppose, you hoped would bring you a bunch of piggyback traffic.

it's canadian cecilia without the profanity.

you're slippin' kid.

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Neo Conservative said...

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oops...

a postscript to my less than coherent buddy, patrick... who wants to know... "I'd ask you what you, yourself, are doing to prevent street violence"

well, patrick... it's true... i'm not dragging my son around to fuzzy-bunny photo-ops in welfare ghettos spouting pious nonsense that alters the course of not-a-single bullet from a stolen saturday night special... but then, i suspect, neither are you.

you're not telling me you're starting a chapter of umove in your community... are you?

i left toronto six years ago... precisely because i could see which way the urban wind was blowing. and guess what... my kid is right here with me.

see pat... strangely enough, we don't have street names... never mind street violence in this neck of the woods.

anyway... i won't waste any more of your time... i'm sure you have more very important work to do.

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Patrick Ross said...

Well, it seems like you've made your choice, then.

Neo Conservative said...

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"patrick mumbles weakly... it seems like you've made your choice"

whoa, patrick... i crumble under the weight of your devastating retort.

i mean, if you simply utter words... it must be so.

mercy! mercy!

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nitram said...

Patrick is a good boy but still has a bit of milk behind his ears and if he has any sense will chalk this up as a learning experience. Next time son, read thru the facts thoroughly.

Patrick Ross said...

"Patrick is a good boy but still has a bit of milk behind his ears and if he has any sense will chalk this up as a learning experience. Next time son, read thru the facts thoroughly."

ROTFL

I'm evidently the only one here who's bothered to read through the facts at all.

I'm starting to sense a bit of a theme here: whenever criticized, you children are just as quick to resort to sophomoric nonsense as Cynic and his merry band of cretins.

No different than them at all, it seems.

Neo Conservative said...

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"patrick says... ROTFL"

no, paddy... it's lol, lol.

kevron says so.

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Anonymous said...

it takes a village to raise a child when the parents refuse to do it.

that's why we have 'corrections canada'....

Anonymous said...

It's oh so easy for people who have almost no information to lay blame.

I went to school with Chad Wynter, in a French immersion program, and at the time he was shot, he was working as a tutor helping children in French.

Kids get into trouble for all kinds of reasons, despite the best efforts of their parents. Patricia Wynters lost two sons. Leave her the hell alone.

Neo Conservative said...

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'anon says... Kids get into trouble for all kinds of reasons"

well, anon... in this neck of the woods... the definition of "getting into trouble" doesn't involve homicide... never mind two in the same family... fluency in french notwithstanding.

you think maybe someone, could have maybe done something... a little differently here?

you know... especially after the first death?

no?

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